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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jeremy Hunt believes abortion limit should be 12 weeks

95 replies

Namechange1990x · 09/06/2019 13:04

Jeremy Hunt is trying to be the next Tory leader, is on national TV declaring abortion limit should be 12 weeks in his opinion. God help us if he’s elected.

Aren’t there more important things to prioritise than policing women’s bodies?

twitter.com/ridgeonsunday/status/1137648043904385025?s=12

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Teddybear45 · 09/06/2019 17:40

He made it clear that abortions due to medical issues would be exempt. So in reality putting in this limit wouldn’t impact many women as most abortions occur before 12 weeks.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 09/06/2019 17:45

Presumably he will bring back benefits for third children whose pregnancies were not discovered until after 12 weeks.

Yep. I think we all know the answer to that.

Obviously Jeremy has been watching Alabama with interest and saw it as a green light to fuck over women in his own country.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 09/06/2019 17:46

So in reality putting in this limit wouldn’t impact many women as most abortions occur before 12 weeks.

And the 'few' women this will affect? Fuck em eh?

Aragog · 09/06/2019 17:47

So in reality putting in this limit wouldn’t impact many women as most abortions occur before 12 weeks.

But it may well impact SOME women. No man should be making decisions about what happens to a woman's body.

NeatFreakMama · 09/06/2019 18:24

I don’t understand this ‘women’s body’ argument that then you want men to leave the conversation. It’s not just our body, it’s another life we’re carrying. It’s perfectly acceptable as a serious moral issue for men and women to weigh in on it I think. It’s also a life that both genders made.

happydappy2 · 09/06/2019 18:48

Its infuriating that these politicians can't just stop meddling with womens existing rights.....the 24 week limit is reasonable.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 09/06/2019 20:49

It’s not just our body, it’s another life we’re carrying

That couldn't exist independently without the woman.

It’s also a life that both genders made.

That the male can freely walk away from. Nice easy choice for him, not so much for the woman.

TheBullshitGoesOn · 09/06/2019 21:02

It is also a life that both genders made

Firstly, both sexes made it. Not genders.

Secondly, pregnancy isn't equal for both the male and the female. The female carries all the risks. And the risks to her health can be significant. They go as far as life-changing medical conditions, disability and death. No one has the right to force her to go through that.

Theworldisfullofgs · 09/06/2019 21:02

The few women it impacts are already having a terrible time.

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 09/06/2019 22:48

F off Jeremy!

TheAngryLlama · 09/06/2019 22:54

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I am a Conservative member. If hunt makes it through to the last two I now know not to vote for him.
Give me gove and his Charlie any day over an anti abortion fuckface.

ElfrideSwancourt · 09/06/2019 23:09

Personally, I don't think any man has a right to dictate to any woman what she does with her body. I don't think they should be allowed to vote in parliament or in the Irish referendum.

If a man doesn't want a baby his time to choose is at conception - don't have sex with someone if you aren't happy to support them to abortion if that is the woman's choice.

Unfortunately women don't always have this choice - if they are raped or have a contraception failure. Or have life changes that means having a baby is not a viable option.

I know this is an extreme view, but I make no apology for holding it. My body, my choice.

Namechange1990x · 09/06/2019 23:10

And the 'few' women this will affect? Fuck em eh

Exactly. There are just under 200,000 abortions a year. So the 2% would effect 2000 women. So it’s a significant number.

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Namechange1990x · 09/06/2019 23:11

Personally, I don't think any man has a right to dictate to any woman what she does with her body. I don't think they should be allowed to vote in parliament or in the Irish referendum

I agree.

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Namechange1990x · 09/06/2019 23:19

I also get annoyed at ardent pro life women who are past their fertility. Yes it’s all well and good you being pro life when you have zero risk of getting pregnant!!!

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Mumoftwoyoungkids · 09/06/2019 23:29

Here is what should be done if we want to reduce the number of abortions that take place:-

  1. Refinance family planning clinics. The one in my city has closed down in the last few years. I am a married woman in her thirties who lives in a city, has access to a car, all adults in my household approve of me obtaining contraception and I have a very flexible job. I still had a bloody nightmare getting a repeat prescription of the pill last year.
  1. Get rid of the third child rule on benefits. It is absolutely disgusting that in one of the richest countries in the world woman are having to terminate their pregnancies because they can’t afford a baby.
  1. Re-finance women’s refuges. Allowing women to escape domestic violence will reduce unwanted pregnancies.
  1. Make the CMS a proper, fit for purpose department. The government pays the maintenance then claims it back off the NRP. As with council tax they have the power to imprison if not paid.
  1. Re-finance children’s centres. Support women in raising the children once they are born.
mumwon · 09/06/2019 23:37

what a wonderful choice of candidates we have for pm - several coming out of the woodwork as having had drugs (where they all threatened with outing or something?) & now this - although as suspect the remainder are probably functioning (or otherwise)alcoholics, spouse beaters, defrauding the public in someway, etc etc - (slightly off subject but relevant)

Namechange1990x · 09/06/2019 23:49

what a wonderful choice of candidates we have for pm

I know 😭 I was so upset when Theresa resigned. I’m not a Tory but to me seemed the best out of a bad bunch.

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ChattyLion · 10/06/2019 07:10

So in reality putting in this limit wouldn’t impact many women as most abortions occur before 12 weeks.

Yes, so we’ll go back to a situation much like when abortion was illegal in mainland Britain pre 1967 Act, the well to do and well connected got themselves a safe hospital abortion at vast expense and with great stress and secrecy about being reported and the others died in the backstreet. Is that where we want to be in the 21century.

Jeremy Hunt must know but appears not to care that many women who need one will still get the abortion even when it’s illegal.

They just get the abortion very expensively and clandestinely but relatively safely from a real doctor off the books and then remain a blackmail target for life
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They travel at great personal cost to a country where it’s legal. Still with great stigma. I’m assuming here Hunt is not suggesting criminalising travel for abortion but you never know..) But in best case scenario where a woman can travel, she will do so typically unaccompanied and with only the shortest possible stay booked at the destination. This is because because bringing someone else and staying for enough time to get proper medical follow up in the different country where it’s legal costs much more money and they have responsibilities at home and/or are travelling with an alternative cover story. So they ‘choose’ the most invasive, quickest surgical method on offer. As Irish and Northern Irish women have done for generations.

..or.. The ones who can’t afford any of the above will be sufficiently desperate to have a DIY or backstreet abortion. These days hopefully avoiding a coat hanger and using mail order drugs illegally bought online. But what happens then if it all goes horribly wrong? Will those women be allowing themselves to be taken to hospital for the care they need, knowing they have broken the law?

And all the above grim scenarios assume we are talking about an adult competent woman who knows about her own pregnancy and who knows there are some alternatives to hav having the baby.

You know what happens when you ban abortion to women who have none of those resources? They have a go at self-aborting maybe, succeed or fail and injure themselves, infect themselves, or succeed or fail and aghast at the prospect they kill themselves. All scenarios that happened pre 1967 Act.

Not every woman will resign themselves to going through pregnancy against their will, particularly when there is high social stigma and social cost around that.
Not all women (can’t believe I am having to write this!) will submit against their will to carry and birth a baby that then goes for adoption with all of the trauma that forced pregnancy and forced adoption is known to involve.

Jeremy might want to enslave women to their bodies (that is not hyperbole and I do not use that metaphor in any way lightly, slavery is an obscenity) but the rest of us and his political peers should utterly reject him for that. As we should reject any candidate who resorts to irresponsible dog whistling as part of his or her campaigning.

You know what I find particularly offensive about this latest from Hunt? The cynical self interest. Hunt is not a campaigner on this issue normally, I don’t think he’s morally invested in it at all, he’s comes overs as just a common misogynist.
The timing here suggests he’s probably just wanting to move the public conversation along from the drug taking history and is trying to re- establish himself as socially conservative. Not in a way that applies to him though you understand, he is special and deserves choices. He deserves to make mistakes and get another chance- and at leading the country no less. He chooses to appear winningly socially conservative instead in a way that will never affect him or other men and only threatens the lives and health of women. Women not only deserve no second chances but our actual lives are expendable by his reckoning.

What a disgusting, woman-hating moral hypocrite. I didn’t care about Hunt’s stupid drugs experience when I heard about that. Now with this, I see him for exactly who he is. Sad

NasiGoreng · 10/06/2019 07:23

Jeremy Hunt is trying to be the next Tory leader and going to fail miserably with views like this which will only appeal to a small number of people. This isn't America.

I'm glad he said it because now many women won't vote for him. I have my own conservative views on abortion but they apply to me, not other women. This MAN has no right to tell women what they should be doing with their bodies.

His views are just another reason why I won't be voting for Jeremy *unt.

Lexilooo · 10/06/2019 07:27

So it seems what James Naughtie said about Jeremy Hunt on the today programme all those years ago was bang on. Jeremy Hunt is a Cunt!!

NasiGoreng · 10/06/2019 07:28

Just to add, I hate that he bandied the word "conscience" around about 3 times. "Politicians will vote with their conscience", as if even if they don't vote for it, he is whiter than white because he would.

Shame his conscience was absent when he was Health Secretary.

I won't ever vote for the C*ntservatives again because they are sub human so he is irrelevant to me but JH is the lowest form of pond weed you could find in the politician sewer.

Lexilooo · 10/06/2019 07:29

For anyone interested in reliving the glorious moment

Helmetbymidnight · 10/06/2019 07:29

he's playing to the crowd - and he only needs to play to cons party members for now. i reckon he thinks that will go down well with them...

NasiGoreng · 10/06/2019 07:29

It wouldn't be long before we were all wearing crimson dresses and white bonnets.

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