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Dr Em The Trojan Unicorn, Queer Theory and Paedophilia

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Exploitedteadrinker · 09/06/2019 07:35

Excellent article(s) on the connection between queer theory and Paedophilia.

Read it before it disappears from Medium

medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-queer-theory-and-paedophilia-part-i-a0cf30ef7bfa

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Exploitedteadrinker · 09/06/2019 07:40

Original thread here

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1136888330782724101?s=19

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vicviking · 09/06/2019 08:38

Read all 4.
Wow - just wow. I wonder how many academics who use queer theory know about these links to paedophilia. I wonder how many people who try to use/apply queer theory outside of universities know about this.

HumberElla · 09/06/2019 08:56

Then look at the NSPCC Speak Out, Stay Safe programme, with the definition of sexual abuse is ‘when a child is being made, asked, or rewarded for doing anything with their body that frightens or worries them – or being made to do this to somebody else’

So the definition of sexual abuse according to NSPCC relies on a child's feelings in response to abuse.

Queer theory right there?

FermatsTheorem · 09/06/2019 08:59

Thanks for those links, tea. I knew about Foucault, but it's even more shocking to see it all laid out in context.

One thing that has just suddenly struck me is that Foucault's power-as-discursive-relationship-and-negotiatiin-between-the-two-parties is simply an elaborate intellectual disguise for victim blaming.

Kilbranan · 09/06/2019 09:02

It’s quite astonishing that this information is all out there and yet queer theory is still being championed as some great movement to aspire to

donquixotedelamancha · 09/06/2019 09:08

Read all 4.

This. Please read, please bump, please share. It's a bit heavy but made as accessable as possible.

Understanding the intellectual underpinnings of the TRA movement is really important.

LangCleg · 09/06/2019 09:11

So the definition of sexual abuse according to NSPCC relies on a child's feelings in response to abuse. Queer theory right there?

Certainly QT-influenced.

We really do need to be raising awareness about this.

hoodathunkit · 09/06/2019 09:23

Thanks for sharing this

I have not read it all and am unfamiliar with queer theory, I have however noticed the ubiquitous unicorn appearing both in children's toys and games and also as an identifier of polyamorous / neo-tantric sex cultures and had got as far as thinking about the associations and meaning so I will read this piece with interest

I saved all of the articles in the wayback machine so I can read them at leisure

When perusing without the archive the first chapter in medium now demands that I sign up to read and when attempting to save the subsequent pages I got a 404 error message, however when the page finished saving he message I could read the articles. I have never experienced this with the archive before and wonder whether I might have saved them as they were in the process of being deleted?

anyway, links here

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190608123156/medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-queer-theory-and-paedophilia-part-i-a0cf30ef7bfa" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190608123156/medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-queer-theory-and-paedophilia-part-i-a0cf30ef7bfa

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190609081057/medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-qt-and-paedophilia-part-ii-ee94e132fb5d?source=friends_link&sk=8a074e73134208d32588605809458985" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190609081057/medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-qt-and-paedophilia-part-ii-ee94e132fb5d?source=friends_link&sk=8a074e73134208d32588605809458985

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<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190609081217/medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-qt-and-paedophilia-part-iv-e39ee252cbc3?source=friends_link&sk=30fd383aedbcfa825bb5a761acf7663a" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190609081217/medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-qt-and-paedophilia-part-iv-e39ee252cbc3?source=friends_link&sk=30fd383aedbcfa825bb5a761acf7663a

hoodathunkit · 09/06/2019 09:26

also of possible tangential interest to readers

Inside London's Hedonistic, Polyamorous Unicorn Movement

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20181207013738/www.unicornsrule.com/unicorn-polyamory/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20181207013738/www.unicornsrule.com/unicorn-polyamory/

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 09/06/2019 09:28

NSPCC Speak Out, Stay Safe programme, with the definition of sexual abuse is ‘when a child is being made, asked, or rewarded for doing anything with their body that frightens or worries them

So if a child is not frightened or worried (or says they are not), then it's not abuse!!

Not read the links yet - will do later today - but every single day my gob is smacked AGAIN!!

Exploitedteadrinker · 09/06/2019 09:41

I don't post or comment very often because I find it difficult to verbalise or summarise my thoughts, and I usually find someone has already done it much better than I can.

It shocks me how blatant the QT advocation of paedophilia is. And, yes, Fermat, it is victim blaming, isn't it? They are saying that the act isn't wrong it's the societal response. WTAF? I see the photos of children at Pride marches, being forced to witness BDSM paraphernalia, at Drag Queen Storytimes etc, and it's all an exercise in desensitisation, pushing back the boundaries of what is acceptable for children to witness and participate in.

Ella There's an NSPCC led assembly due at my children's infant school this term. I had already decided to ask the FLO for more information, you've just firmed my resolve. They looked at me as if I was completely neurotic when I asked what exactly they were talking about in the "gender" discussions they had two terms ago. They said it was about how boys and girls can do anything they want (specifically the subject had arisen because boys weren't letting girls play football in the playground during breaks). I said I didn't want my children being taught anti-science nonsense about changing sex, whereby I got a lecture on how they approached same-sex relationships, and they didn't seem to understand when I said they were conflating two very different concepts.

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boldlygoingsomewhere · 09/06/2019 09:42

Put all together like that, it’s quite the eye-opener!

It seems the ‘she asked for it’ defence is being pushed onto children. Disgusting!

HumberElla · 09/06/2019 09:46

The NSPCC definition was spotted on another thread by the very astute ChickenonaMug. Sorry to ‘at’ you @ChickenonaMug but you might be interested in this link.

To me this is a distinct change in tack. So if the child doesn’t think it is wrong, or presumably if too young to articulate what they feel, then it’s not abuse. The criteria is changing.

OldCrone · 09/06/2019 10:13

hoodathunkit

Your archive links don't seem to work. I tried to archive them using the wayback machine and got the 404 error like you did, and when I checked the archive it said the page wasn't there.

They have been saved using another archive by someone on the twitter thread.

mobile.twitter.com/zeno001/status/1136946177029672960

TalkingintheDark · 09/06/2019 10:18

Mind blown. Thank you for this OP, and huge round of applause for DoctorEM.

It’s all out there. In plain sight.

Shit.

hoodathunkit · 09/06/2019 10:44

OldCrone

Thanks for your post :)

When I click on my links I initially get the same 404 message as before then the page loads and I can read the articles

very strange

I will probably take screen grabs also

In these interesting times important documents have been known to disappear even from the archive

Thanks for the link to the other saved versions, am looking forward to reading them

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 09/06/2019 10:54

good god

reading this makes that 'Queering the classroom' conference that was the genesis of the No Outsiders programme seem incredibly sinister

very accessible read - I'd really recommend going through all 4 articles

Melroses · 09/06/2019 11:13

I have got through the first 3.

It is hard work, but Dr Em has made a considerable effort to make it accessible so although I find it hard work, I will read the rest when I have had a break.

Who even has a ''Queering the classroom'' conference Confused. Who gets to control what goes into classrooms these days. Are there any Education specialists who go through all this stuff that gets peddled to head teachers? I remember one of Jess Bradley's friends from his (literal) Naked Vegan days was going into schools to teach about effects of advertising etc.

Mummaofmytribe · 09/06/2019 11:21

Christ almighty. This is sickening.

OldCrone · 09/06/2019 11:27

Archive links.

Part 1: archive.is/1XLvc
Part 2: archive.is/IAo90
Part 3: archive.is/1E2qQ
Part 4: archive.is/hBGFB

The Wayback Machine doesn't seem to want to archive them.

OldCrone · 09/06/2019 11:37

I see the photos of children at Pride marches, being forced to witness BDSM paraphernalia, at Drag Queen Storytimes etc, and it's all an exercise in desensitisation, pushing back the boundaries of what is acceptable for children to witness and participate in.

This seems to be what queer theory is all about. From the article:

Feminists have attempted to develop the cultural norm that rape is bad and that children cannot consent to sexual activity. These activities — rape and child sexual abuse — become reframed in postmodernism, and therefore queer theory, as repressed and a transgression of boundaries which is thus challenging power and helping to liberate the individual.

What seems to be happening, and why feminists are accused of being regressive and siding with religious groups and right-wingers, is that according to this theory, everything that transgresses boundaries is 'progressive' and therefore good. Anyone who argues for the status quo is 'regressive' and therefore bad.

FermatsTheorem · 09/06/2019 11:49

That quote:
"Feminists have attempted to develop the cultural norm that rape is bad and that children cannot consent to sexual activity. These activities — rape and child sexual abuse — become reframed in postmodernism, and therefore queer theory, as repressed and a transgression of boundaries which is thus challenging power and helping to liberate the individual."
is doubly apposite when you consider how much effort third wave feminism puts into wolf-in-sheep's clothing theorising.

One prime example would be "anti-carceral feminism". This starts from the (reasonable) observation that certain demographic groups are much more likely to be imprisoned for the same crimes than others (e.g. a black American teen who steals a car is much more likely to end up in juvie than a white teen). Part of this is direct racism (the judge doing the sentencing may be more likely to perceive the black kid as dangerous), part of it is the economic consequences of racism (the white family may be more likely to be able to afford a decent lawyer). But this morphs into a crazy "therefore prison is bad, done by bad right-wing people to people just living alternative lives with alternative moral frameworks and alternative concepts of property ownership."

Which then morphs into "What you mean when lefty-beardy-dude-bro-name raped you and left you with an anal prolapse, you went to the pigs rather than seeking restorative justice among our peers (aka beardy says "I'm vewwy vewwy sowwy she feels upset by our sexual encounter, but she was asking for it anyway..." and all the peers nod along sagely, impressed by beardy's openess to confront her responsibility for his actions and offer a non-apology)?" And the rape victim is socially ostracised, called "carceral", "SWERF", "TERF" and whatever other insults they can come up with and left alone with her trauma.

LangCleg · 09/06/2019 11:58

What seems to be happening, and why feminists are accused of being regressive and siding with religious groups and right-wingers, is that according to this theory, everything that transgresses boundaries is 'progressive' and therefore good. Anyone who argues for the status quo is 'regressive' and therefore bad.

Yes. We are at the point where an understanding of child development is cast as social conservatism.