Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.

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Words fail me today

It’s absolutely horrifying Lang

(Typo in my post above: NSPCC [i had meant to delete: and they] should be loudly advocating for better (or any) mental health services for supporting ALL of those young people

That was just a typo- I’m certainly not saying detransitioned young people have to be out loudly advocating for heir own services, society in general should make sure those services are ready set up for them. Detransitioned people should be able to access the support and services they need easily and quickly. This isn’t the case at the moment.

You're either suggesting something utterly horrific, or I don't understand

The NSPCC has statutory powers under the Children Act, which means it can initiate child protection court proceedings by itself without needing to involve state agencies.

I'm saying it's not any old children's charity. It has lawful powers. So, institutional capture of the NSPCC - and its subsidiary, Childline - by genderism is a very serious matter.

Yes that the 'safeguarding' of children will depend on them being told that any doubts they have in their teenage years are down to them being born in the wrong body.

Lang

Just so I know I've got this straight.

The NSPCC are in a legitimate position to remove a child who says they are trans from a family who disagrees?

The NSPCC are in a legitimate position to remove a child who says they are trans from a family who disagrees?

It has the lawful power to initiate court proceedings to try and obtain care and protection orders, yes. Whether the court would agree? Who knows these days?

Tara Hewitt has a senior role in NHS as well as influencing Social Care, Universities etc.

And something that the NHS seems unaware of is this:

Equality Act 2010, Schedule 3, section 27 [single sex services]

ss5: The condition is that the service is provided at a place which is, or is part of—

(a) a hospital, or

(b) another establishment for persons requiring special care, supervision or attention.

That is, that all hospitals and other NHS premises / services are 100% exempted from sex discrimination claims in their provision of single sex services.

For the record, 5b above includes prisons as establishments for persons requiring special care, supervision or attention.

[Ditto for refuges rape crisis support centres etc.]

Independent article:
'MUNROE BERGDORF ACCUSES NSPCC OF ‘BOWING TO PRESSURE FROM TRANSPHOBIC HATE CAMPAIGN’ AS SHE IS DROPPED FROM CHILDLINE
Twitter users falsely referred to Bergdorf as 'a porn model'

(extract)
"In an additional statement provided to The Independent, a spokesperson said: “We have been reflecting on the support we have had from Munroe Bergdorf and the extent to which it is helping us achieve the outcomes we desire for all LGBTQ+ children. We judged that it was in the best interests of the campaign that we no longer work with her.”

News of Bergdorf’s appointment as a Childline campaigner had prompted widespread criticism on Twitter." (continues)

We are extremely sad and disappointed about what has happened,” said a representative for Bergdorf.

“Childline asked Munroe to come on board as an LGBT+ Campaigner to let LGBT+ children know that Childline is a safe place for them to contact. But to see them bow down to pressure from a transphobic lobby running a hate campaign, falsely stating that she is ‘a porn model’ and threatening to withdraw direct debits to the charity, without so much as an email or phone call to discuss the situation, is heartbreaking. Not only for Munroe, but for the 6,000 trans kids contacting them for help. Clearly those children are not at the top of their priority list.”

The NSPCC responded by clarifying that the 6,000+ counselling sessions were for children with issues relating to gender and sexuality and weren’t given exclusively to transgender children." (continues)

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/munroe-bergdorf-childline-trans-lgbt-campaign-charity-nspcc-controversy-a8950186.html

Some good news!

And frankly, posing in your underwear that barely covers your nipples makes you what then? You can't have it both ways.

I can't keep up with Munroe's career: is this another post lost after only a few days?

Clearly those children are not at the top of their priority list.

Actually, Munroe, they are. It's called safeguarding. We are trying to safeguard exactly those children. You don't recruit people who have asked minors to contact them secretly and privately to represent a child protection charity. When people do that, we call it a red flag. Your ignorance of this makes you entirely unsuitable to be anywhere near a child protection org.

At last the NSPCC / Childline has remembered that their core purpose is to safeguard children. They shouldn't have had to rely on others to point out that an individual who invites minors to contact them directly online, who poses in numerous body exposing porn type poses and with a history of published overt racist / homophobic comments is not an appropriate role model for children.
Now that an organisation has finally established that there are some boundaries, maybe the government, political parties, girl guides, sports associations, even the Police might like to take a closer look at the behaviours of some individuals they currently fete and 'work' with. Maybe ponder on whether some of these people also have some personal interests / habits that render them also unsuitable for advising about safeguarding and public policy???....... Just a thought....

At last the NSPCC / Childline has remembered that their core purpose is to safeguard children.

They aren't there yet.

They are however probably about to experience what happens when you dont pander to the lobby.

And to think they refused the web chat to appease them.

Susie Green / Mermaids are also experiencing a significant backlash from some adult males in the trans lobby.
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3606827-Mermaids-endorsement-of-West-Yorkshire-Police

Sadly both need to see what they have unleashed by demonising women who don't comply with men's demands

Well that’s good news about MB, but now the focus needs to be kept on the NSPCC themselves to sort out their own policies which lead to them thinking this appointment was a good idea.

As discussed upthread they are not currently sufficiently safeguarding children in their own policies around gender.

^^ by which I mean specifically the advice around it being important to do ‘what’s right for you’- and mentioning on their advice pages ‘changing your body’ as an example of that. These are young impressionable kids reading this.

I can't keep up with Munroe's career: is this another post lost after only a few days?

They’re like the Frank Spencer of transgenderism.

(For younger readers, Frank Spencer was a character played by Michael Crawford in the Seventies sitcom Some Womb-Bearers Do ‘Ave ‘Em notorious for being unable to hold down a job)

Good news that they listened to the concerns raised. Is it too much to hope for that this might signal a sea change?

Is it too much to hope for that this might signal a sea change?

Probably.

Really though, I'd like them to take a public stance against the use of packers/ penis hiding pants for children. It's such an obvious abuse risk (personally I think it's abusive full stop, but at the very least it makes life easier for sexual abusers)

Agreed ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving

I'd like the NSPCC - an organisation that I had significant respect for in the past - to remember that their role is about the needs and safety of children and not about pandering to the demands of various political social justice movements. That is why they got into this mess with MB in the first place - 'political' performance, failing to centre the needs of children and lack of due diligence. If women hadn't made a fuss about this, they would have continued with MB - just think on the implications of that

I'd like to see them endorisng - and chasing up - the government's (as yet still invisible) enquiry into girls self-harming with ROGD. I'd like to see them take a stance on protecting Tavistock whistleblowers. I would like them to be saying that they are a child protection agency not an "Instagrem influencer" agency.

But I won't be holding my breath.

Is there an actual statement on this by the NSPCC available anywhere or just their quotes in that Independent article?

www.nspcc.org.uk/what-we-do/news-opinion/nspcc-statement?