Mermaids endorsement of West Yorkshire Police

[LizzieSiddal]

mobile.twitter.com/Mermaids_Gender/status/1136964888344088578

Not many of the responders to her tweet, seem to agree with her.

mobile.twitter.com/Mermaids_Gender/status/1136964888344088578

Much of that makes no sense whatsoever!

Not surprising that they would all turn on each other.

Mermaids is desperately trying to appear legit. Keyword is appear. They need the police on board to help with their branding. They are trying to use the police as a shield against scrutiny. How can they be child abusers? They train the police after all.

The sparkly sponsored by Mermaids/WYP/Barclays/Marks and Spencer stuff was always going to come up against the large antifa element who promote violence in the genderist movement. They see Mermaids (with its close corporate and institutional ties) as the establishment now.

Good luck with that, Susie.

Trans will eat itself?

This is a very good example of Mermaid's unevidenced approach to training and relationships with the police. Mermaids seem to think that what worked for the CEO would work for other families in crisis.

In fact, 'what worked' for Sally Green's child raised a lot of red flags for me

Green described how one West Yorkshire Police Officer helped them at a time of crisis and developed a relationship with Jackie Green. I don't know whether the officer was a family friend.

Green seems to think that police officers are capable and available to work with and support distressed children threatening suicide, with a bit of awareness training.

No. No. No. No. It's not the police's job. A bit of 'awareness' training from mermaids is a dangerous thing.

In any case, things have moved on and police officers themselves know that such cases need health professionals.

Green's TRA critics are pefectly right - the police have no business interfering and dispensing advice to children in need of health care. If she'd done some research instead of relying on her own persoanl experience, she would know that.

from the linked article by Susie Green:
(extract)
"This is why we at Mermaids have developed deep working relationships with the Police to improve their knowledge and understanding of transgender children and young people.

We have attended LGBT crime meetings to look over incidents and to offer feedback on reporting by officers and the language they use, which can be clumsy and unintentionally offensive and alienating for the transgender community.
We have worked alongside Merseyside Police, providing training and building a partnership where officers attend our monthly Mersey Mermaids meetings.
We have trained Lancashire and West Yorkshire Police and worked hard to help develop internal processes to make transphobic hate crime more clearly identified and dealt with.

We have a network of LGBTQI+ officers and allies we can reach out to when we hear of inappropriate police actions upon hate crime reports made." (continues)

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/why-we-must-continue-to-work-with-the-police-not-against-them.html

How did a mother & child and now a lobby group / Children's Charity come to have its own personal police force on speed dial?

further from the article:

"Mermaids Legal Caseworker, Lui, a non-binary solicitor and member of the management team at Mermaids, often supports families and young people who are afraid to report hate crime because of that fact and, as an organisation, we have helped to challenge police forces which get it wrong." (continues)

How did a tax payer funded, impartial part of the police force (old and non woke word used on purpose) end up being annexed by and refocused as the right hand of a political lobby group?

Next week: Momentum annexes the Humberside police and starts removing Conservative voters for holding public hate rallies, previously known as the local conservative party meetings, while the Cat and Rabbit Rescue weaponise the Wirral constabulary and remove dog owners from public places for drinking wine on chairs.

It's an interesting dilemma isn't it? On one side of the TRA lobby you have the let's train, assimilate and direct the police to enforce the agenda and sod the fact they're publicly paid, supposed to do other things too and not be politically partisan, and the other side of the same lobby loathes the police and have held marches campaigning for their abolishment. All attempts to make this lobby look reasonable are so steadily sabotaged by them that no one else need do anything but watch.

On one side of the TRA lobby you have the let's train, assimilate and direct the police to enforce the agenda and sod the fact they're publicly paid, supposed to do other things too and not be politically partisan, and the other side of the same lobby loathes the police and have held marches campaigning for their abolishment. All attempts to make this lobby look reasonable are so steadily sabotaged by them that no one else need do anything but watch.

The OP twitter thread demonstrates this perfectly.
Worth reading.

You've got so many different factions (all with competing interests) under the trans umbrella that schism is inevitable.

There is:

• Hard left antifa, advocating violence against the establishment. And women
• Charlatans and grifters, taking advantage of the wild west of no regulation (Webberleys, self-identified lawyers)
• Corporate establishment trying to make a buck (Stonewall)
• Convicted sex offenders who spy an opportunity to move to a women's prison and then hide their past afterwards
• Common or garden AGPs
• MAPs (minor attracted people) looking to weaken child safeguarding
• Confused children and teens
• Deluded narcissists desperately seeking attention and validation
• People with obvious personality disorders
• Transsexuals for whom full surgical transition alleviates their body dysphoria

And of course many people under the trans umbrella tick a number of those boxes.

And it is a movement that has no real leaders. Those who are prominent in the movement have no skills in leadership. Or public discourse. Or consensus building.

Look at Susie Green's risible well, the cops have been great to me statement. No analysis of the issues, no thought given to people who will have a different experience, not even a hint of self-reflection of her own part in all of this mess.

Mermaids goes into WYP to look over incidents? Data protection?

Anyway, this isn't going down well at all on Twitter. Interesting to see that a lot of the young TRAs are denouncing Mermaids as a c**-led organisation for parents and saying they need trans-led organisations to represent their interests. SG herself criticised.

Isnt this what we have always said.

Once they have what they want they will turn their back on you

Put one foot even slightly out of line and they will turn on you too.

Hate to say we told you so.

I'm interest to see who Susie Green turns to for support now she's been chewed up and spat out as worthless to The Cause.

Who will take her in?

Interesting to see that a lot of the young TRAs are denouncing Mermaids as a c-led organisation for parents and saying they need trans-led organisations to represent their interests.
I think that's very interesting because, whatever I may think of Susie Green, I had always thought the purpose of Mermaids was to support parents who had trans children but who were not trans themselves.

The biter is well and truly bit. And I have not a shred of sympathy.

Popchyk - that list makes chilling reading

I suspect that's what it's been in practice but they say themselves their primary aim is to support children and young people.

Mermaids is passionate about supporting children, young people, and their families to achieve a happier life in the face of great adversity. We work to raise awareness about gender nonconformity in children and young people amongst professionals and the general public. We campaign for the recognition of gender dysphoria in young people and lobby for improvements in professional services.

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/about-mermaids.html

Hmm yes. I could have sworn their website used to describe them as a support group for parents and trans young people - in that order.

Mermaids goes into WYP to look over incidents? Data protection?

I think she is referring to the Safer Leeds Hate Crime Unit which purports to co-ordinate action against perpetrators and support victims.

Yes, I know that most people would think that this is the role of the police, courts and victim/witness support. You're right, so we'll just skip over this hyperbole

Safer Leeds (aka Leeds City Council) have 6 weekly meetings to discuss a selection of cases that need involvement from a range of agencies (council, housing, school, health, victim support, police) in Leeds only.

Having attended umpteen of these meetings (not in Leeds), where no-one has added any value to the range of actions that the police have already initiated, I can say that they are not a complete waste of police time in some race and disability 'hate' crime/incidents.

However, a small number of participants are just along for the ride and for networking opportunities. Sleeping partners who benefit but are inactive.

Just out of interest theOtherPamAyre, are you a police officer? You know so much about everything police related. Sorry if you've answered that question a zillion times, I only really got active on this board a few months ago.

This was off the Mermaids Twitter thread.

I might be off the mark here, but when the Greater Manchester Police LGBT+ network talk about internalised LGBTphobia in this tweet exchange, do you think they are referring to the T or the L?

that twitter thread is really quite funny
it will certainly be an eye opener to all the 'let's be nice and kind' people who haven't thought all this through
ACAB
yes, all police are the same the world over

How exactly would the police tackle either internalised homophobia or transphobia? Is self-hatred going to be categorised as a hate incident? How is it to be punished?

I assumed it meant internalised as in coming from within the movement not the individuals? That whole thread is a mess though. Massive conflation of US and UK police forces. Sounds like trans people have an absolutely terrible time of it with the police in America, but in the UK trans people are definitely not being routinely killed or beaten up by the police! I even saw some people calling on SG to resign! Not that I'd cry over that myself...

One of those tweets was complaining about a trans person being arrested during a "slut walk" (god I hate liberal feminism) and being held in a wrong gender cell. Now, it didn't specify which gender, but I think we can be fairly safe in assuming that means a penis haver was walking around in public with their penis out and was therefore arrested and held with other penis havers. Hardly police violence.

Tip: Whatever political point you think you're making... no one wants to see you penis.

popchyk this is spit on

*You've got so many different factions (all with competing interests) under the trans umbrella that schism is inevitable.

There is:

• Hard left antifa, advocating violence against the establishment. And women
• Charlatans and grifters, taking advantage of the wild west of no regulation (Webberleys, self-identified lawyers)
• Corporate establishment trying to make a buck (Stonewall)
• Convicted sex offenders who spy an opportunity to move to a women's prison and then hide their past afterwards
• Common or garden AGPs
• MAPs (minor attracted people) looking to weaken child safeguarding
• Confused children and teens
• Deluded narcissists desperately seeking attention and validation
• People with obvious personality disorders
• Transsexuals for whom full surgical transition alleviates their body dysphoria

And of course many people under the trans umbrella tick a number of those boxes.

And it is a movement that has no real leaders. Those who are prominent in the movement have no skills in leadership. Or public discourse. Or consensus building*