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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.

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HandsOffMyRights · 06/06/2019 08:25

Words fail me today

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Popchyk · 12/06/2019 15:30

Just caught up with this.

Bergdorf still kicked out of NSPCC.

Rubbercub still in. And now we're all wondering how many other rubbercubs there are in the NSPCC.

Rubber is way bad enough - but cub? An adult who deliberately refers to cub in his kink? In an organisation dedicated to protecting children? The same man who sees absolutely no safeguarding issues with Bergdorf?

Christ almighty.

Avrosia · 12/06/2019 15:31

It sounds like the Freemasons in rubber gear

JackyHolyoake · 12/06/2019 15:32

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Outanabout · 12/06/2019 15:33

DuMondeB yes, of all organisations you'd think a children's charity would do a basic search to see what price are up to online, which might reflect badly on them, or raise safeguarding concerns.

Outanabout · 12/06/2019 15:33

'People' not price 🙄

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 15:34

I have a sneaking suspicion Berdorf could potentially pursue a legal case against the NSPCC over the handling of this, because of the public nature of the NSPCC having to admit a safeguarding issue and because that in turn could damage Bergdorf's media career. Hence the tone of that statement.

Could be wrong here, but the public nature of the cockup means Bergdorf might consider the option. In that sense, they might feel they have to lay it on thick.

R0wantrees · 12/06/2019 15:36

twitter.com/NSPCC/status/1138799412443013122

The apology is not enough
The safeguarding & equality issues presented by Munroe Bergdorf have not being recognised (yet?)

Munroe - Childline 's first LGBT+ campaigner.
JackyHolyoake · 12/06/2019 15:39

from HuffPost report:

Bergdorf, 31, had said the NSPCC’s decision was “bowing down to pressure from a transphobic lobby”.

If adhering to safeguarding protocol now equates with "transphobia" [hint: it doesn't] then I am unashamedly "transphobic".

Safeguarding for children, and for women, is my agenda.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 12/06/2019 15:40

Unfortunately, we didn't manage to speak directly to Munroe on Friday. However, Munroe's publicist was sent a draft of our intended statement, and following feedback received, we incorporated some of the publicist's comments into the final statement we published on Friday evening.

Yes, this bit was interesting. Why did Munroe not mention this?

Avrosia · 12/06/2019 15:42

"Sickening. After hounding Munroe Bergdorf, they're now trying to get a gay NSPCC employee sacked"

mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1138809431792263169

JessicaWakefieldSV · 12/06/2019 15:44

The fact he is gay is irrelevant. Why is OJ highlighting it?? Strange.

Avrosia · 12/06/2019 15:45

" Could be wrong here, but the public nature of the cockup"

It was Bergdorf who made it public.

The NSPCC made no announcement that Bergdorf was an ambassador, nor anything to officially say they were working together.

Avrosia · 12/06/2019 15:46

" Why is OJ highlighting it??"

its what he does

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Popchyk · 12/06/2019 15:49

Jones is trying to control the narrative before those pics go everywhere. Trying to spin it as homophobia.

By him retweeting it, those pics will be seen by even more people.

The majority of whom I'm guessing won't be impressed by rubbercub's interests.

theOtherPamAyres · 12/06/2019 15:54

Tips and Tricks on how to do a 'cover-up'

  1. Announce an inquiry
  2. Draw people's attention away from the fact that it's an INTERNAL enquiry, reporting to a sub-committee and to be shared in-house only.
  3. Don't publish the terms of reference
  4. Hope people don't notice that the enquiry is a very narrow one - looking at one person's maverick actions and the premature announcement by a 'celebrity' (sic) Useful distractors include the words 'trustees' and 'Governance committee'
  5. Apologise profusely to one aggrieved party
  6. Hope people don't notice the bias and premature judgement of the issues
  7. Say nothing about the end date
  8. Lie low and hope people will forget, so that they don't ask questions about what lessons were learned.
  9. Go silent and ignore people who raise concerns about the culture, policies, and staff that inhabit a state institutions with statutory powers. Just say 'there's an enquiry and lessons will be learned'.
TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 12/06/2019 15:56

I actually think that that NSPCC statement is rather good news - and not just because it is very clear indeed that Bergdorf was never, ever a suitable choice and should never have been considered for any NSPCC campaign.

But because it's also extremely clear that they have recognised that there are some really serious structural problems within the organisation. I think the three paragraphs someone quoted above a are really important - and (given the normal propensity of institutions to self-protect and cover-up and handle-internally blah blah when the shit hits the fan) they are very clear and very public.

The statement is not a press release only, it's a letter to all NSPCC employees, and yes I can imagine there has been days of upset and uproar among staff and volunteers. So I don't mind the management apologising to the workforce.

And (I notice) the names Stonewall, Mermaids, GIRES etc are conspicuous by their absence. Those are (it appears) not the people the NSPCC will be going to for advice on all this.

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 15:56

I can imagine if my very much heterosexual DH put rubber blogs on his LinkedIn Profile, there would be a reaction. I doubt it would be labelled as 'kink shaming'. He volunteers for scouting.

I don't see what being gay has got to do with anything. Its poor judgement and putting inappropriate content in a professional context when someone works in an area which is sensitive to safeguarding issues.

If you make that type of mistake with your CV, fuck knows what judgements you will make whilst doing your actual job. Your judgement over what is appropriate is clearly way off whack.

JackyHolyoake · 12/06/2019 15:57

*"Sickening. After hounding Munroe Bergdorf, they're now trying to get a gay NSPCC employee sacked"

mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1138809431792263169*

No, Mr Jones, this is nothing to do with that employee being gay, it is much more to do with the public expression of paraphilic behaviours.

If those paraphilic behaviours expressed publicly are so acceptable, why has the employee concerned removed it all from view on the Internet?

The employee concerned described himself and his "family" as perverts.

This is everything to do with safeguarding children, Mr Jones!

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 12/06/2019 15:57

Ah - I see OtherPamAyres and I have read things completely differently!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/06/2019 15:58

Thems 31? Gosh. I thought a bit older. Oh well you just can’t tell can you?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/06/2019 16:00

The people beating for blood aren’t parents are they?

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 16:02

Tips and Tricks on how to do a 'cover-up'
1. Announce an inquiry...

How's it going at the Green Party these days? I see they've been kicking out women again lately.

WizbetisaNizbet · 12/06/2019 16:02

No @LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD they are not. If Owen Jones was a parent he would understand why people are concerned but he has no comprehension or empathy. He simple cares more about virtue signalling than protecting children. The same goes for most of those baying for blood.

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