Julie Bindel physically attacked after meeting

[MsMcWibble]

Seems to have been carried out by well known TRA who has threatened violence before: twitter.com/bindelj/status/1136402563379716096

gingerginger2 women get enough of being told to behave elsewhere in life.

Just to add: I do sympathise with middle ground thinking, it's ground I passed through too.

However over time, the more you study and read and listen to those advocating for TRA political ideology, the more you realise there is no middle ground. None is possible. Women here aren't being mindlessly mean, they're speaking from hard and bitter realisation over time of the realities of this situation.

"And as for the repeated asks of what i’ve Done to take this person to task, I have done plenty".

Do you know him personally?

Is it a family member or something?

That might explain why you're so defensive about him.

They're about three years too late, that particular dam has holes everywhere now

Well, yes! But Julie Bindel is very prominent; and also now, as you suggest, there is far more awareness of the issue than there ever has been, and this event has made the national news ( even if i distorted fashion- by The Guardian).That might not have been the case only last year.

Jeez, so because I disagree with you I must be a man, must not be s gender critical feminist, must not be taking violence against women seriously??????

I don’t think anyone called you a man.
No it’s not because you disagree, it’s because of what it is you are actually saying, your words and their intent. Your insistence on us speaking nicely about a violent man and prioritising that on a thread about a woman being attacked by him. It’s your sentiment. It really does not seem you are taking violence against women seriously when you are ignoring it and focusing on people calling him what he is: a thug. It does not seem you take it seriously when you are conflating insults after an attack, and the attack itself. That’s what misogynists do: women should be nice or men will lose their mind.

You are not discussing this among yourselves. You are on a public forum. Mumsnet is incredibly well known for this discourse. This thread will be being read by thousands and thousands.

Like it or not you are not talking to your pals in a «safe space».

This board has been fantastic to educate myself and I suspect many many others like me. I want it to continue to do that. I don’t Think the personal insults do that. They alienate and inflame.

They alienate and inflame.

Visitors to this board have grown, not reduced. As for ‘inflaming’, it really doesn’t matter how nicely we ask not to be beaten and abused, they do it anyway. I know this too well from 2 decades of tiptoeing around a violent raging drunk. It didn’t matter what I did, there was always a reason. What you’re doing is trying to control our speech by attempting to paint us as bad as violent males. That is wrong. That is not feminist.

They alienate and inflame

And by that sentence you enable and collude with a violent man who tried to batter a woman who said things that 'alienated and inflamed' him, and needed three security guards to prevent him.

Whether those things were true, irrelevant. Or in the public interest, irrelevant. Because they were perceived as alienating and inflaming, the blame is on the woman for upsetting the man and causing his actions.

Old as the bloody hills, this is exactly the misogyny that women have been fighting since the beginning of time.

Justhadathought. I’m not new though, just name changed recently. Been posting on mumsnet for over a decade. Relatively new to this debate, maybe a year reading and posting on this particular board

O.k! Hope you've read my later posts, in which I do agree with the essence of what you're saying. However, even being far newer to Mumsnet than you, I've come to accept, or at least just co-exist with, the style of some others. I just focus on the issues and post in my own way. I can't control others.

We'd be here forever if we insisted on everyone expressing themselves in the same way.

Mumsnet shows women in all their wonderful glory ... and given viewers and membership continues to increase, especially to this FWR section, I rather think the audience and participants enjoy it.

If you don't enjoy it, you steer clear of it, surely?

Julie, if you're reading, so sorry that this happened to you and I admire tremendously the way that you have dealt with it publically.

It's not about 'transgender violence', it's about male violence. Yes, exactly that.

Yes ginger. This is male violence against a woman

And it should be seen forwhat it is

Male violence

Do you see it as male violence against a woman ?

Ginger you really do need to get out more quite honestly. You need to go and read a few other sites to get a real feel of what actual 'personal insults ' look like. Try a few boards where men are discussing women celebrities bodies or something similar.

This is one of the very few spaces where women can talk about this. If other people want to listen in they are free to do so but (assuming I don't break any MN guidelines) I object to being told to mind my manners in case someone overhears.

And I speak as someone who originally agreed with 'When they go low we go high.' I changed my mind. Women are entitled to be angry about this and, if that makes people so uncomfortable, then maybe it's time to examine the reasons for that discomfort.

And by that sentence you enable and collude with a violent man who tried to batter a woman who said things that 'alienated and inflamed' him, and needed three security guards to prevent him

Try reading all of my posts in context to those which i was responding. Launching on one or two phrases that bother you is not helpful. Some people do find swearing and name calling alienating whether you like it or not. I'm seeking communion here, not aggro, and I'm attempting to bring on board someone who is 'new'. I'm not going to apologise for that.

No i don’t know him personally.

Right, I do need to get on with work though so am going to drop this.

Thank you all for the passion and education. I still don’t agree with you though. I will continue to fight the fundamental untruth of trans ideology, the reforms to the GRA, the damaging retrograde views in gender conformity and to the bringing of these ideas into education because I agree with your position. I just don’t agree with how you choose to express it.

You still won't explain however how you suggest it should be expressed.

Ginger - this whole post of yours is worrying

^*Yes the anger is palpable at both extremes of the debate.

Yes when people feel angry and under attack they usually react with an attack.

It is understandable.

But it isn’t likely to end well.*^

This is 'be nice or you'll get what's coming to you (you)' - the manta of every male abuser ever.

Are you aware of the subtext of what you are saying here? It's pretty insulting to come into a feminist forum and justify a specific episode of male violence against a woman in those terms.

(And, to be clear, it is not ok, or 'understandable', that people feeling angry and under attack respond with an attack)

And I really can't believe be that a woman would say that in this context

Ginger you really do need to get out more quite honestly. You need to go and read a few other sites to get a real feel of what actual 'personal insults ' look like. Try a few boards where men are discussing women celebrities bodies or something similar

Not everyone is on twitter or looks in on multiple message boards, though. It can be quite a culture shock when you do, though.
This one is incredibly civilised by most standards.

Try reading all of my posts in context to those which i was responding

I'm confused Just - I was replying to ginger's post at 10.33?

Well, actually I can but it's unusual for women with those views to find their way into this board