Julie Bindel physically attacked after meeting

[MsMcWibble]

Seems to have been carried out by well known TRA who has threatened violence before: twitter.com/bindelj/status/1136402563379716096

I know security guards held Julie's attacker back, and the attacker didn't actually get to punch her. But I feel it's really unequal that Harry the Owl gets a grilling from the police for liking a poem on Twitter - yet Julie's attacker doesn't even get a talking to for a barrage of misogynistic abuse, and lunging at her so ferociously that, according to Julie, it took 3 security guards to hold the attacker back.

I applaud Julie's "being the bigger person" approach, in a way - but there's no justice.

Police would probably tell Julie off, anyway, not her attacker.

Or just be "security held your attacker back - what's your issue?'

Infuriating how these violent ideologues get away with it.

The Guardian article is a piece of shit. Focusing on the people who resigned because their little tanty to stop women talking about male didn’t work, and mentioning a physical attack on someone who has written for that newspaper as a side note to the “main” story. Why isn’t the headline “Guardian contributor attacked by man person”? You could argue the writer Libby Brooks is trying to write a balanced article, but that would a) fly in the face of their usual approach and b) still wouldn’t excuse which part of the event they think is the most important bit to prioritise.

So they can get fucked.

Julie should do what she wants. I don't blame her for not wanting to get bogged down in a police complaint in Scotland when she's busy with her other stuff.

If Julie goes to the police, she'd be accused of targeting "an already marginalised community".

If Julie doesn't go to the police, then the attack never happened.

Welcome to being a woman in 2019. Always in the wrong, whatever you do.

Zebras being the bigger person is wearing thin and it's this, combined with our 'niceness', that has let the violent narcissists get to this point. I personally am sick to fuck of being the 'bigger person', it does us no good whatsoever sometimes.

Mental illness rarely causes people to be violent to others, and not in such a coherent, planned manner. People with actual mental health problems are much more likely to hurt themselves than someone else. Narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders are not a mental illness and do not diminish this man’s responsibility for his actions.

The Guardian are MRA-enabling scumbags. My understanding of the situation with the staff Pride committee is that they were told by the University to stop telling students that they were unsafe on campus. Which is absolutely right, it’s reprehensible that staff should be scaring students for political or ideological purposes. But of course it’s being reported by that Men’s Rights Rag that they were censored in a more comprehensive way.

A must-read: medium.com/@camradfems/political-violence-is-patriarchal-c567659e210e

the decision of the university to withdraw from the Stonewall Workplace Equality Index

That Guardian article contained this little gem too. Despite its Guardianness, I definitely got a sense that someone or other at the university might have woken up, despite the new gender nonsense department.

And having flounced, perhaps the next incarnation of this group will be a little more balanced?

That Guardian article is HORRENDOUS. Attack on JB framed as a response to a "transphobic" meeting. They're actually running a "she asked for it" line, essentially. Breathtakingly bad.

WitchBitch I absolutely agree. The fashion a year or so ago on here of finger-wagging at posters with TGLWGH used to make me grind my teeth in irritation. An abuser's charter, to.my mind.

I am a regular, been on mumsnet for over a decade. Name change every couple of months though as I don’t like having a long searchable posting history for folk to analyse and because I have sisters and sister in laws that I suspect post here too. Usually on AIBU and relationships though.

I do still disagree with you all though. But hey ho, not going to continue fighting about it.

You’re wrong though if you are thinking my aim was to tell wonen to shut up, or be nice, or blame women for make violence or whatever. Just expected more of women I respected than personal insults. And you’re also wrong if you think i’m Just chiding women. I don’t want to go into details as I do not want to out myself, but I am definately not.

Oh and point taken about conflating mental illness with violence. I was erroneously using that term when in fact yes I should of used something more like personality disorder or something. The person is unstable anyway.

Smiling through gritted gums these days Outanabout!

Popchyck & Wichbitch - I know, I absolutely agree with you both. It's a shitshow. As I said - no justice.

Don't expect more from the women you respect here. Expect reality, warts and all. I've not always agreed with the decisions or general tone or statements from every woman here, and I've sometimes winced, even the ones I actually know personally and like enormously.

I like and respect Julie Bindel and I don't always agree with her statements or choice of words. I like and respect Posie Parker and I am the same with her. There's no woman on this earth with whom I have never been a touch disappointed in. And I'm quite sure I've disappointed others and let the side down.

That's reality. Feminism isn't for hagiographies. Sometimes we're shits. But mostly we're bloody great, and we don't, none of us, leave other women bumping under bus wheels. That's my bottom line, anyway.

This is the second time that I've witnessed a poster saying "I'm gender critical, I'm one of you - I just think you're wrong here" - is this a new er... technique? The first was the Harry the Owl fundraiser thread.

Hehe - the Harry the Owl thread was fab!

Bet it had a material impact in helping him reach his target

Feminism isn't for hagiographies. Sometimes we're shits. But mostly we're bloody great, and we don't, none of us, leave other women bumping under bus wheels.

Great post Floral - what I think (but you said it better)

JackyHolyoake - great article. Those who can't accurately locate male violence within an actual feminist framework might like to read it and reflect.

is this a new er... technique?

Regardless of any posters on this thread, the I'm GC but... business is becoming more and more frequent (and more and more tiring).

I’m sad that I missed a Mumsnet feminist disco a half-decade ago.

That Guardian piece is interesting. Towards the end, Bindel is quoted directly as saying her attacker 'does not represent the transsexual community' but earlier she is indirectly quoted as saying they did not represent the transgender community. Do they not think as a writer that Julie Bindel was speaking accurately?

Me too, DuMonde. Sounds brilliant.

"At first I was afraid, I was petrified..." as Julie Bindel tweeted today.

Ooh, I would be MORE than up for a FWB disco (another long-timer and frequent name changer). I was in my hotel beddy-byes for the evening do at the Manchester FiLiA 2018, and I know I saw a couple of other Mumsnetter FWB frequenters there in the daytime. I've met another few in Newcastle at a GC group there, but definitely no disco so far.