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May have ranted at my work colleagues rather

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ApplePenPineapplePen · 04/06/2019 23:15

Out for drinks with (male) work colleagues and someone ask3d about sex ed at schools, LGBTQ awareness....and there is no other word for it but I ranted. I described myself as a gender critical feminist and they asked what that was and once I started I couldnt stop. Gender dysphoria women in sport, sex based rights, men in women's prisons. Quite embarrassed at my lack of self awareness that I just kspt gping. Spoke about ROGD and impact in my own family....then calmed down and found one man my age was wondering what the fuss was about, another said there's only 2 sexes end of, and my v intelligent younger colleague told me I was on the wrong side of history and sex-based rights are unnecessaey.

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newtlover · 04/06/2019 23:18

1 out of 3....could be worse
plus, I just can't believe all the woke types truly believe what they say...the more they hear sense spoken the more they will listen to their inner voices
as for the person who couldn't see what all the fuss was about, they obviously weren't listening
how much had you drunk?

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ApplePenPineapplePen · 04/06/2019 23:20

2 bacardis. One small cider. Over 5 hours.

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madcatladyforever · 04/06/2019 23:20

I agree with you but it's not something I'd ever discuss at work. One word about this to HR and you'd be out of a job. We can't be feminist warriors at work if we have mortgages to pay.

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ApplePenPineapplePen · 04/06/2019 23:22

Well...indeed. Small company though and not public sector.

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DpWm · 04/06/2019 23:26

Oh well better out than in!

AtrociousCircumstance · 04/06/2019 23:30

I admire you. A lot. For being real. Because it is a risk.

I would be fired. I work with lots of straight white men and they would fire me for daring to raise my voice about women’s rights with regards to this.

Who knew patriarchy would get such a boost in this way? The juxtaposition of the #metoo movement followed so swiftly by the erosion of women’s safe spaces.

GaraMedouar · 04/06/2019 23:34

Smile - there are 7 of us in our dept. I have chatted to one chap about GC / trans issues. He completely agreed and thinks it's all ridiculous - we are all over 40 in our dept and no-one would think otherwise. I'm just waiting til we have trans training course at work - I can't think anybody my colleagues will like that.

newtlover · 04/06/2019 23:35

hmmm, they did ask!

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ApplePenPineapplePen · 04/06/2019 23:36

So likely outcome is I am eternally know as the 'ranty feminist'... let us see if my P45 comes tomorrow.

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FamilyOfAliens · 04/06/2019 23:38

My head is well and truly above the parapet at the school where I work. I am not the only breadwinner in our household though, and DH understands this is the hill I’m prepared to die on if necessary.

Erythronium · 04/06/2019 23:49

Well done you. People need to speak up.

FloralBunting · 04/06/2019 23:53

Excellent. Your voice is yours and you spoke. Well done.

(Love your name, btw. That YouTube vid makes me laugh)

shipshape12 · 05/06/2019 00:06

It's people like you op I avoid like the plague.

TheRattleBag · 05/06/2019 00:12

It's people like you OP that I applaud mightily :-)

XXVaginaAndAUterus · 05/06/2019 00:15

It's people like you OP that I applaud mightily :-)

PocketsForMe · 05/06/2019 00:19

It’s people like you OP that I applaud almightily :)

FloralBunting · 05/06/2019 00:20

Oo, lots of mighty applause Grin

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ApplePenPineapplePen · 05/06/2019 00:36

Thanks. I will apologise for going off on one, but I stand by what I said, just not how. I have a lot of respect for my younger colleague, we had a fairly challenging debate but it wasn't heated or personal. More conceptual.

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Mummaofmytribe · 05/06/2019 00:40

Good for you OP

bettybeans · 05/06/2019 00:46

Don't panic. Socials are socials and there's absolutely no law against saying any of the things that you said. I've done the same and on the following day in office we didn't speak about any of it but a week later one of them asked me to send a link to one of the articles I had mentioned. Your views are not illegal pal. Even if nobody asks for more info, you've done nothing worse than enter into a political group chat in a social non-professional situation and given your perfectly reasonable views.

barelove · 05/06/2019 00:55

It's people like you OP that get people thinking and that's what this needs.

ScottishDoll · 05/06/2019 01:09

It's people like you OP that I applaud mightily Grin

Mxyzptlk · 05/06/2019 01:15

It's people like you OP that I applaud mightily :-)
Yay!!

Mxyzptlk · 05/06/2019 01:17

It is personal, tho.
We are in danger - and our children and grandchildren. Angry

ALittleBitofVitriol · 05/06/2019 01:32

Well done! It is important, it's like consciousness raising.

A year ago, when I had some of these conversations within my community, I was called nasty bigot and lots of 'what's the big deal? Be nice!'
Now, those people are starting to ask the questions, starting to wonder how men in women's sports and prisons is fair, they are starting to handwring about how they want to be supportive but can't get their heads around.

Talking about it works. It takes time and it's painful, but the truth will be recognised eventually - even if they are too afraid to speak it plainly.

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