May have ranted at my work colleagues rather

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Out for drinks with (male) work colleagues and someone ask3d about sex ed at schools, LGBTQ awareness....and there is no other word for it but I ranted. I described myself as a gender critical feminist and they asked what that was and once I started I couldnt stop. Gender dysphoria women in sport, sex based rights, men in women's prisons. Quite embarrassed at my lack of self awareness that I just kspt gping. Spoke about ROGD and impact in my own family....then calmed down and found one man my age was wondering what the fuss was about, another said there's only 2 sexes end of, and my v intelligent younger colleague told me I was on the wrong side of history and sex-based rights are unnecessaey.

Joining the applause!

I think it sounds great that you were able to have this discussion with colleagues and that nobody questioned your right to have an opinion, ApplePenPineapplePen.

My v intelligent younger colleague told me I was on the wrong side of history and sex-based rights are unnecessary.

I think Sally Hines said the same thing. Until there is no such thing as a gender pay gap, different rates of mental health problems among men and women, and when the rates of unpaid care are the same among men and women etc then sex based rights have to exist in a fair society. And what about countries where girls are less likely to go to school etc or where people practise sex based birth selection? Actually, you could ask him if he is happy with nothing being done to change the circumstances in which fewer white working class men go to university than women?

Good on you, apple! I have bitten my tongue so often on this, it’s half severed.

sunkisses, this stuff absolutely can get you into hot water. A friend of mine, a gay man, was on a work night out, and expressed that he found the underlying homophobia of some elements of trans activism very troubling, not least because he was himself a dress wearing, doll loving child with exclusively female friends of exactly the sort that today would have people wondering if he was trans. One of his colleagues (a straight woman - not trans) complained to their boss about his “transphobia”, and asked that he be disciplined.

His boss took him aside and told him, that while “this time” he wouldn’t be disciplined, he should consider himself warned that he was not to discuss these topics with his work colleagues, or he would receive an official warning.

Sure, he could protest that, but his card is marked as a “troublemaker” already. It’s outrageous.

Well done!
I work in the Scottish public sector and I know that my gender critical views would be looked on aghast, especially by one of my good friends who is a trans ally lesbian. I have tried to have the "lady dick" and "get the L out" conversations with her but she rejects the TRA stance as extreme. She also doesn't have Twitter or I think she would be more exposed to what is actually out there.
I was called a bigot by my lesbian SIL and her bi wife. A head tilt and "that's not what I would have expected from you?" from my other SIL.

Kenne asking the tough questions, pulling no punches

SophoclesTheFox, that's appalling.

So many people do no thinking for themselves and just mindlessly follow what they are told at work.
The trans rights tactic of setting themselves up as providers of 'equality training' has clearly worked well.

Shipshape12 and it's people like you I avoid like a cliche.

Sophocles sorry to hear that

I have a gay friend who no longer wears make up or dresses because he gets told he is trans and that opens up a bizarre can of worms in terms of who he can or can't go out with.

his workplace bathrooms have gone unisex and one woman said to him "you should be glad, you are trans" - she's seen him wearing a makeup a few times.

actually he's really annoyed and wanted to stick to separate toilets.

Kenne asking the tough questions, pulling no punches.

I was impressed by that too, Kennehora Riversdisguise. When I go on a rant, I still seem to drink the same amount.

I remember the good old days of making a pint last four hours.

When people try and tell me sex based protections are unnecessary, belittling or patronising - and I’ve had this from (mostly young) women as well as men - I normally point out that women are the only sex that can get pregnant and that, when it comes to pregnancy and childbirth, it’s women who do all the work and take on all the risk; and also that, as a group, they are smaller than men (as a group) and don’t have as much physical strength; and that these factors make women vulnerable in ways that men are not; and that none of this has anything to do with gender identity.

But I would still be very careful who I said it to in my workplace.

Kennehora....i did drink non-alcoholic drinks also. Gone are the days when I could handle much alcohol and certainly not with full day of work next day

And update, my junior colleague was fine this morning and said it was better than talking work at least. The other two said nothing about it.

Applause OP and I've done the same,opportunity arose and out it all came like a dam burst.I felt sorry for them all tbh,they looked gobsmacked but one did say 'thats insane',(re cotton ceiling) .

Good for you, OP

Oh lordy, I didn't get as far as cotton ceiling! Maybe next time

I don’t understand all these people saying you would be fired. What for?!? It is illegal to fire someone for their views.

Apple

lol ,it was a torrent

Women and girls will have nothing to worry about in a few years? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45942447?ocid=socialflow_twitter&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=twitter&ns_mchannel=social

This is also very good - for those so dismissive of female reality mobile.twitter.com/PlanUK/status/1115981110566117376

And while all this is going on, we don't need to worry about men claiming to be women.