Murdered a woman- but didn't pose a risk to women?!

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Wtf. A transwoman with an interest in sadistic torture, jailed for 26 years for brutally killing a woman was allowed into a women's prison because apparent lack of sexual offences meant that there was 'little risk' to female inmates. Without a GRC there was absolutely no responsibility to do this but they chose to anyway, putting the wants of a murderer ahead of women's safety.

Now moved back to a men's prison.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7097351/Trans-murderer-23-moved-male-jail-romping-naked-female-inmate.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7097351/Trans-murderer-23-moved-male-jail-romping-naked-female-inmate.html

A Prison Service spokeswoman said last night: 'The safety of all our prisoners is an absolute priority'

what absolute bollocks. the safety of women prisoners comes last, that has been amply demonstrated

'While we work to manage all prisoners, including those who are transgender, sensitively and in line with the law, we can and will take action where their behaviour provides cause for concern.'

but only after their behaviour has caused damage eh? no point safeguarding women - yawn

There are about 125 transgender prisoners in England and Wales, of which 60 are sex offenders

nice to see the FPFW research get another airing.

Who is this 'Transgender Case Board'? Who sits on it?
What are their qualifications for over riding the safety of women prisoners? Can the MoJ guarantee that nobody on this case board has AGP and a vested interest in violating women's boundaries? ? Do we have a BAME case board? A Women case board? A Mental Health case board? An Autistic Spectrum case board? A Vulnerable case board?

Can women who's dignity, privacy and safety has been violated by having to share cells and showers with transitioned men sue this board?

But this never happens!

Is there something in the water that destroys common sense? What with the political situation and this sort of nonsense as well, I'm at a loss to explain what's happened to this country.

He killed a woman and he is put in a woman’s jail

Ffs what is wrong with the prison service

I really think women prisoners will need to bring a case against the MOJ to get this bollocks sorted out

Who is this 'Transgender Case Board'? Who sits on it?

I'm pretty sure people from Stonewall and Gendered Intelligence are on it, if I recall correctly.

There's no wonder other organisations think self id is already here and women have no right to sex segregated spaces when prison authorities allow a male person who murdered a women to self id into a female prison.

On the grounds that they pose no threat to women, no less.

Ah - so it's a Self Interest Case Board'. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

I wonder what the 'qualifications' are for being on the board? The assessment process? Whether the participants are DBS checked and have safeguarding training? And how many adult human females sit on it?

Does anyone know?

Seems that they only acted once he started having sex with women, I guess they care about the risk of pregnancy and how that will look, but not about women's basic safety and privacy.

Tagging in @PencilsinSpace as she knows a lot about the prisons stuff.

unbelievable.

Glad he is back in a male prison now. But fgs!

I believe that men who murder men are put in men's jails.
So the logic of this OP doesn't really fly.

You think it's okay for a man who tortures women to be deemed not a risk to women saraclara? There was no legal obligation to place him in a women's prison.

The "transgender case board" mentioned may have been a local board for that prison but there is a national advisory board:

The Trans Advisory Board includes representation from the GEO (Government Equalities Office), HMPPS (previously called NOMS), MoJ and experts in both legal and health matters. There are also 2 positions for experts in transgender issues. These positions are currently held by Jay Stewart, Director of Gendered Intelligence and Jenny-Ann Bishopop, Chair of TransForum Manchesterer. Head of women’s prisons, Steve Bradford (Prison Group Director for Women’s prisons) is also on the Board along with a member of the HMPPS Women’s policy team.

fairplayforwomen.com/prison-review/

Just......I mean......

Words fail me.

Transgender case boards are convened at a local level according to this article about Karen White: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison

We have to bear in mind that they are following guidance laid down by none other than our friend Penny Mordaunt who decided that the old rules, where male prisoners were housed in male prisons was out of step with society.

"The Women and Equalities Committee looked at the issue of transgender prisoners as part of their wider report on Transgender Equalityy^, published in January 2016. The Committee said there was a “clear risk of harm” where trans prisoners are not located in a prison “appropriate to their acquired/affirmed gender”.

Note that the risk of harm to women doesn't feature in this.

The policy does however say this: "Women offenders who present a high risk of harm to other women are managed safely in the female estate. Transgender women who pose similar risks should be managed in a similar way in the female estate. In a judicial review of September 2009 (R (on the application of AB) v Secretary of State for Justice [2009] EWHC 2220 (Admin)) the judge held that a male to female transsexual prisoner with a GRC had to be transferred to the female estate even though one of her index offences was attempted rape of a woman."

So basically they hold that people with male bodies hold no higher risk to women that people with female bodies. That's the starting point. There is incidentally no requirement for transgender prisoners to hold a GRC.

Policy document in full.

https://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/offenders/psipso/psi-2016/PSI-17-2016-PI-16-2016-AI-13-2016-The-Care-and-Management-of-Transgender-Offenders.docx

Cheers Orchid, really useful.

saraclara

The logic is, that anyone born male should be placed in a male prison, irrespective of how they feel.
People's feelings should never outweigh biological reality.

For fucking fucks sake. It’s so outrageous I hardly know where to start. And also FFFS Daily Mail if there’s no GRC I see absolutely no reason to refer to this sadistic murderer as “she” throughout the article. It just confuses the issue; we need an article like this to be crystal clear that a MAN who said HE was a woman was deemed not a risk to women despite having killed one, and subsequently placed in a FEMALE prison even though HE IS A FUCKING MAN.

@badgerthebodger The use of female pronouns for males is very confusing and obscures the issues/reality

This is a male torture murderer of a woman. I'm sure MNHQ won't penalise you for use of male pronouns.

And again, a helpful early AWA intervention on a thread about a man who murdered a woman, being put in the female estate and then having to be moved because he was sexually active with the women inside.

Nice to know, while all our jaws are dropped at the astonishing nature of this being allowed to occur, that the AWA's are quite happy for all those women to be at risk. Again, lurking women - they don't care about you, your rights or your safety. Don't give an inch.

the person in question was in a homosexual relationship with his accomplice when they murdered Bethany Hill

I wonder if this was what informed the case board? they assumed that he was gay and therefore 'no threat to women'?