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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Can we start an anti "nail" campaign?

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2rebecca · 01/06/2019 21:03

As a GP who frequently washes her hands, allotment owner and instrument player I really hate the trend for women to have immaculate nails that cost a fortune, scratch people and mean women can't do anything useful. Where t f did this horrible trend come from and how do we give women back the use of their wonderful hands?

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YesQueen · 02/06/2019 17:59

I'm just HmmConfusedHmm
Sometimes I have painted nails, sometimes I don't. It stops me from doing nothing, and if it chips when I'm with my horse then oh well. But my natural nail bed is long so my nails look longer than they are when painted

Can we start an anti "nail" campaign?
Frusty · 02/06/2019 18:06

As a northern Irish Protestant I am aghast at the turn of phrase on this thread - I don’t even want to repeat it but what an awful thing for someone of either religious persuasion to say.

AuntieMarys · 02/06/2019 18:06

Wow.
Sisterhood at its worst.

Frusty · 02/06/2019 18:07

Those are very pretty Yesqueen

redbedheadd · 02/06/2019 18:13

I love my nails and get excited to pick new colours out.

Not that I should have to defend my feminist credentials but I've mentored many young women at work, set up equality events to encourage workplace opportunities and I've volunteered for years going into schools to give career advise to girls from deprived areas.

How I choose to add colour into my life has zero baring on championing women.

placemats · 02/06/2019 18:20

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culchie

It's not considered pejorative where I come from.

I've trimmed my nails earlier, and I'm currently getting food on the table.

My DP is not my husband. I'm not married.

Thallo · 02/06/2019 18:24

From the poster who associates painted nails with 'ethnic minorities' trying to intimidate her to 'stupid Catholic culchies'.

What a lovely thread.

placemats · 02/06/2019 18:34

Well to give Hold their due, stupid catholic culchies had nothing to do with nails. Or maybe it did ? Shock

Erythronium · 02/06/2019 18:49

"I mentioned a few pages back that basically anything more than a unisex boiler suit to preserve modesty and the plainest food sufficient to provide sufficient calories is unnecessary."

Yes you did didn't you? When you were mischaracterising my argument because you can't actually make a decent response to what I'm actually saying.

What's funny is that in your zeal to misrepresent my arguments you just ended up describing patriarchy. There are people who like to put people in uniforms and actually go ahead and do it. I'll give you a clue though, it's not feminists. Men's institutions are full of uniforms - the army, the police, schools, Mao's China, the priesthood - full of people, mainly men dressed the same, individuality erased. I'm sure you must be up in arms about that.

Same with the resitricted boring diet that you were lying that feminists want us to have. What do you think the diet industry feeds to women? That food is awful - low fat spreads, low fat cheese, low calorie ready meals, liquid shakes instead of decent food. Weird meals with lettuce, eggs and grapefruit or cabbage soup. Disgusting, but something that women are expected to eat if they want to be thin and thus acceptable.

I don't expect either of those real phenomena to bother you though Lass. You're too busy having a pop at imaginary things you've decided feminists must want. I don't know if it's because you don't understand the arguments, or you understand them well enough but have to mischaracterise them in order to make any kind of an argument. Either way it's tedious.

NottonightJosepheen · 02/06/2019 18:51

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LassOfFyvie · 02/06/2019 18:53

Placemats

Well to giveHoldtheir due, stupid catholic culchies had nothing to do with nails. Or maybe it did ?

It was you who introduced this aspect. I have no idea why. You have invented things Hold is supposed to have said about you.

You have displayed misogyny on this thread and made personal attacks on posters. The fact your partner and children have "howled with laughter" at the suggestion you are misogynistic proves nothing.

LimeKiwi · 02/06/2019 18:58

These pretty nails are making me actually want to go and do mine Grin
I'd post a picture of my hand but they're dead boring and stumpy/bitten lol
But meh, that's the way I like them so I don't care
Each to their own

LimeKiwi · 02/06/2019 19:02

I can't stand acrylic nails and I would judge you.

Why would you judge someone by what their nails looks like?! Confused
Anyway, I thought we were judging a system if anything, not people for what they choose to do or not do with their hands?

LassOfFyvie · 02/06/2019 19:04

Erythronium

The point I was making is that there is a certain type of virtue signalling feminist who will pounce on anything which they consider trivial or shallow and which they don't like. Attacking such things seems to boost their egos and it's dressed up as "class analysis" not a personal attack.

The opening post and follow up posts were examples of this women "tottering" on high heels. They always "totter" don't they?

Applying the arguments displayed on here everything which is done or bought or worn just because it is pretty or pleases fails the test doesn't it? After all, it's just propping up the patriarchy.

I mentioned food to try to show how ridiculous this judgemental puritanism is. If you (general you) are going to criticise things like false nails why stop there?

origamiunicorn · 02/06/2019 19:07

I don't like long nails on myself anyway, prefer slightly rounded off short square painted nails on me. Long nails look nice on others (except those awful coffin shaped or pointed ones)

LassOfFyvie · 02/06/2019 19:13

Erythronium

I made the boiler suit comment because there is a certain type of virtue signalling feminist who just loves criticising things they don't like or approve of but dress it up as "class analysis". This thread was started on that premise and the follow up posts continued it. The repetition of "tottering" - high heel wearers always "totter".

Everything which isn't plain and practical is kowtowing to and propping up the patriarchy. Anything chosen because it is pretty or frivolous or pleasing is just because women are brainwashed and propping up the patriarchy. It is extremely tedious. The exaggerated list on the other thread even includes hand cream, cleanser and perfume. What a miserable existence that must be.

I mentioned food , since why stop at criticising nails? The sort of puritanical, judgemental attitude surely should apply there too.

Erythronium · 02/06/2019 19:15

Yes you like attacking feminists rather than engaging with the actual arguments with your sneering posts don't you? It's a bit of a theme for you.

"If you (general you) are going to criticise things like false nails why stop there?"

It is so incredibly easy to know where to draw the line and stop. Unbelievably easy. The question you ask is whether men do it, whether it's expected of them. So, false nails, no they don't. Beauty standards, they don't have them. A man is never expected to be "pretty", in fact "pretty boy" is used as an insult. A pretty woman on the other hand is being complimented.

Men don't wear false nails, they don't wear nail varnish generally yet they manage to wear clothes they like and eat food they like. So why would you think it would be any different for women? You have to mischaracterise feminists as authoritarian fun-suckers though to maintain your weak arguments.

Why do you find this stuff so difficult to grasp that you have to ascribe intentions to people you disagree with that aren't even there? It says a lot more about you than the people you're trying to attack.

LimeKiwi · 02/06/2019 19:20

Why can't women WANT to feel pretty for them instead of all this shit about you must be doing it for the patriarchy as it's ingrained in you bollocks?
I say this as someone who never wears make up or does my nails and is more likely to work boot type shoes or ballet type flat pumps than heels.

If people want to bling their nails up, good for them. If they don't, also good for them.
Sick of people judging women's choices full stop.

Erythronium · 02/06/2019 19:22

Why do women want to do it (look pretty) and men don't? Why? Why? Why?

Why is prettiness for women and girls only? What's the reason?

LimeKiwi · 02/06/2019 19:24

Why do women want to do it (look pretty) and men don't? Why? Why? Why?

What, all men don't? Why are you lumping the sexes into one great big mass?
Loads of men are into grooming themselves! Oils for their beards, intricate cuts into their hair, piercings etc.
Why can't women want to do their nails? Why does it make them any "less" or worthy of being judged if that's what they like?

Holdthedamndoor · 02/06/2019 19:26

The question you ask is whether men do it, whether it's expected of them. So, false nails, no they don't. Beauty standards, they don't have them. A man is never expected to be "pretty", in fact "pretty boy" is used as an insult. A pretty woman on the other hand is being complimented.

Not sure what year you are in, but Male grooming is huge now.

Pretty boy isnt an insult at all anymore. Lots if men do the full groom, tan, getvtjeir natural nails done, eye brows.

Steroids use is growing all the time because of the pressure to look a certain way.

Not at the scale it has been for women. Bit its getting there.

Personally I dont see the difference between a man getting his nails done and a woman getting acrylics. No woman has ever had nails, that's stopped her achieving her ambitions or passions. There is no issue with women having long nails if they want them.

redbedheadd · 02/06/2019 19:28

Most of the men I know are quite into grooming and clothes, and I'm thinking of different age groups. My brother's generation (late teens) are really into clothes and grooming! Many of them spend £30 quid on hair cuts, lots of new clothes and aftershaves. For my generation (late 20s early 30s) a lot of men have very well groomed beards. And when I get a wax the therapist told me she has tons of men come in!

Erythronium · 02/06/2019 19:30

Male facial hair has nothing to do with prettiness. Lots of men have shaved faces so why aren't they concerned about being pretty?

I've said social pressures from patriarchy, you've said it's bollocks so what's the answer?

Why do men not have beauty standards to meet the way women do. They have nails, so why aren't they painting them pink and growing them long or sticking false ones on? Why is only women who do this. If you can find a thread of men showing off their nails the way women have done on here, that isn't full of MTF trans, I'll take it all back. It's equal, men paint their faces and their nails just like women do. Men "pamper" themselves, grow their hair long and have highlights. They wear high heeled shoes and tight skirts with tights. They shave their legs if they're going to wear shorts. Except they don't do they? Why is that?

Catapultaway · 02/06/2019 19:30

"Why do women want to do it (look pretty) and men don't?"
That gave me a chuckle. You really think men don't want to look good?

LassOfFyvie · 02/06/2019 19:31

It is so incredibly easy to know where to draw the line and stop. Unbelievably easy

Perfume, face cleanser, moisturiser, hand cream and body lotion were on the list of disapproved of items.

I like pretty things. If that is a problem for feminists I could not care less.

Why can't women WANT to feel pretty fortheminstead of all this shit about you must be doing it for the patriarchy as it's ingrained in you bollocks?

Because you can't. You can't make up your own mind about this. I haven't even been out of the house all day and my husband is away yet I'm still wearing a pretty dress and perfume. That can't possibly be to please me because I have been brainwashed into supporting the patriarchy.

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