'Inclusive education is non-negotiable'

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A tweet from Jess Phillips (retweeted by my mp)
As soon as Westminster resumes I'll be calling on Department for Education to make clear to parents and to change their guidance that inclusive education is non negotiable. The fudge has allowed this crisis and without firm action it will spread. This must end next week.
I assume this is a reaction to what's happening to schools in her area, where parents are objecting to LGBT 'education'.
While I believe it's wrong that the government have made this the responsibility of individual schools, I strongly dislike her attitude of 'we know better than parents' in this and I'd be interested to hear what others think.

Maybe she just needs to pin back her ears and keep met mouth shit and actually listen to some of the ‘inclusive’ messages being given to children.

inclusive education is non negotiable

The terms 'inclusive' and 'non-negotiable' are about as contradictory as possible.

LordProf you nailed it on page one.

I still look at the issue by analogy with religious belief.

Defend people's right to practise whatever religion they want? Yes.

Stand up for their right not to be discriminated against in employment or housing? Yes (with the caveat that I don't actually think conscience opt outs for pharmacists and doctors for abortion provision are reasonable - if you can't in conscience sign up to a central part of the job, you shouldn't be doing it).

Stand up for their right to dress how they please in accordance with their religious beliefs (even if I think those dress standards are potty)? Yes.

Allow (fringe) religious people to dictate the school biology syllabus and remove evolution from the curriculum? Hell no.

The same applies, mutatis mutandum, to the new religion that is transgenderism.

There are aspects of inclusive education that are actually harmful to kids with special needs. I have had to work with ds very patiently to resolve his confusion around transgender issues. I think the current discussion is very difficult for kids with asd. They are literal, logical thinkers. If you tell them sex can be changed, people can be born in wrong body etc they think it’s literally true. Solid facts re chromosomes etc ds can handle. Vague BS about womanhood being some kind of floaty metaphysical feelings based concept he cannot.

KEEP IN YOUR PLACE!

YOUR OPINIONS MUST END!

THERE MUST BE ONE VISION!

And we will all have children who are even more "educated" to the state than before.

Inclusive of whom? Not inclusive of girls, not inclusive of orthodox Muslims or Christians, not inclusive of disabilities... not very inclusive at all. A bit like those proclaiming that everyone who doesn’t agree with everything they say are bigots...

If Jess wants to teach them about BIrmingham she should perhaps suggest the events industry, manufacturing and urban regeneration are more relevant topics?

Now, when I see the word 'inclusive' I am on high alert and suspicious. I'm even more worried when I see that it's linked with no debate and no negotiation.

For me, 'inclusive' is associated with removing women's and children's protections as well as disregarding safeguarding principles.

Me too. I basically see it as Orwellian newspeak.

A bit like those proclaiming that everyone who doesn’t agree with everything they say are bigots..

There is a reason calling people a phobe of some sort is now the go to insult. It gives the persona saying it almost total power to set the agenda.

I want my children growing up knowing that it's OK to be different, and it's not OK to discriminate or harass those who are.
I honestly can't see a problem with letting children know it's OK to be gay or trans.
"Different"to the so called norm of heterosexual etc.
All this protesting reminds me of the 80s 90s when people wanted being gay not taught in school either.
It's still happening in 2019 which is kind of sad in my opinion.
Maybe if they're taught tolerance instead of hate or prejudice from an early age, that it's OK to be you, the world would have far less problems.

onestly can't see a problem with letting children know it's OK to be gay or trans.

Nobody else here can either.

Have you actually looked at what is being taught?

that it's OK to be you, the world would have far less problems.

This isn't what is being taught, they are teaching that you have to fit into a box, you can't be a boy that likes pink, for example, if you like pink you are a girl.
If they were teaching that it's okay to be you, there wouldn't be a problem, the teaching is that it's not okay to be you, if you don't fit in the boy or girl box we that's assigned you are in the wrong body.

Please actually look and listen to what mermaids are actually teaching in schools before coming here and saying this.

It's not ok for adults to tell you it's possible to have a boy brain in a girl body, that it's a good idea to cut off your breasts, and that female is about psychology, not physiology.

In short, it's not ok for adults to teach children lies.

I feel the same way about creationism.
It belongs in "myths people believe" in religious education.
Not in science.
And not in "how to affirm your creationist friend and agree that the earth is 6000 years old" relationship education.

"Some people have healthy, consensual, same sex relationships" is factual.
"Some people have the identity of female in their brain and a male body, which by the way doesn't exist because bodies aren't sexed" is ... not.

Some people have healthy consexual relationships
I agree it's factual, depends where you say that though - factual to me and you, not to a hell of a lot of people and countries who think it's anything but healthy.
So whereas you say it's not factual to be told that you can be trans - what should they do? That they have to live a lie, hide who they really are?
There's so much we still don't really know yet.
As I said, teaching tolerance is a good thing. Children are only prejudiced if they're taught to be.

There's so much we still don't really know yet.

And we never will because all meaningful scientific research in this area is being deliberately suppressed - the only person to have carried out a long term study on a significant sample size was the Canadian, Dr Zucker, who has been wiped from the academic records because he found that instability in mental and emotional identification with the body and its sex was a mental health condition that could be alleviated with treatment or which stabilised itself over time. He also found that surgical and hormonal treatment did not necessarily alleviate the felt mental distress and that the elevated suicide rate in such people was symptomatic of the underlying psychic disturbance and not due to societal attitude.

So when you tell your children that some people are trans, what are you telling them - do you even know or is this one of the many things that we don't yet know?

Children are only prejudiced if they're taught to be

It took me a while, being a naive child and teenager (that'll be the Asperger's, in retrospect), to learn that being wary of weirder members of the opposite sex was actually a bloody good thing.

Children should be taught that they are allowed privacy, safety and their own feelings.

Pushing a wedge in between parents and children will create a serious push back.

Average people are getting sick to death of the ivory tower betters playing social engineering games with our children and calling us bigots.

I want my children growing up knowing that it's OK to be different, and it's not OK to discriminate or harass those who are. I honestly can't see a problem with letting children know it's OK to be gay or trans.

So, I think a lot of people feel this way, more or less, about the sexuality question, and its been taught in schools for a while, so its seen as something that has been accepted. Now quite a few people are concerned specifically about the trans question because they feel it's clearly different, it's saying a lot that is factually questionable and there seem to be consequences in the teen population too.

But there are also the Muslim parents who are unhappy about the sexuality question, and I think maybe what some of this has revealed is that people were less universally on board with the whole idea of the school teaching values around sexuality than a lot of liberals had thought. It seems like when it was more factual, or about simply respecting others, most were happy, but that wan't necessarily indicative of parents being willing to have the school take on more.

My suspicion from my own conversations is that many are also not entirely happy with the school going too far into sexual values in general, for example with teen sex. Birth control is ok, talking about consent is ok, even talking about how to deal with problems. But they generally want their kids to get their sexual values at home, not whatever the school thinks reflects the majority of the population.

The people who seem ok with the whole thing tend to be those who happen to agree with what the school is saying. I wonder a bit if this hasn't been a bit of a jolt to people who up until recently, did agree, and now all of a sudden they are realising that the school might actually be taking on a role they aren't entirely suited to.

I honestly can't see a problem with letting children know it's OK to be gay or trans.

But the agenda appears to be more than ‘like and let live as long as you aren’t hurting anyone’.

Some people are gay. Some people don’t dress ‘conventionally’. Yup. Why not a goth inclusion day (black rainbows, black unicorns, black flags...)

So the kids may ask...
What is gender and why does it matter?
What is trans? What is transgender, what is transsexual, what is transvestite? How?
Is a male person in women’s clothes a woman? What does that mean?
I’m a girl and like to play football - am I a boy?????
I’m a boy and hate football - am I a girl???
Can a human change their sex?
If so - how the hell does that work?
If not - why should we therefore allow men into women’s areas?
What if I go into the ladies loo and there is a man in there and I feel unsafe - what can I do?
What if I do swimming and there is a man changing in the ladies changing room next to me? What can I do?
If I get lost mummy always told me to approach a lady - is [you know who] - lady I can ask?

Etc etc etc.

What the hell is going on in our schools?

"A headmaster of 30 years who used school funds to build a sex dungeon in his office has been struck off, a tribunal heard.

James Stewart, 74, was executive principal at Sawtry Village Academy in Cambridgeshire where he set up an "inner sanctum" in his office containing rugs, cushions, lubricant and sex toys.

He had already been convicted of defrauding the school of more than £100,000 in bogus expense claims, as well as misconduct in public office that stated he regularly had sex in his office which was specially modified for this habit.

The sex den was uncovered when a roofing contractor spotted a large purple sex toy through the office skylight.

Stewart, a Cambridge graduate who was paid £120,000-a-year to run the school, claimed expenses for his bespoke office suite.

While at the school Stewart used school funds to subscribe to a monthly wine club, pay hotel bar bills and his TV media package.

He also gave himself unauthorised pay rises and used cash to buy alcohol and go on personal ski trips abroad, leaving the school in special measures."

Words fail me. And a Christian teacher was sacked for nothing more than a facebook post querying the use of sex and relationship classes to disorientate and sexualise children. How did he get away with this for long enough to build a sex dungeon?

This is the link to the school's page regarding the promotion of British values - it would be funny if it wasn't so grimly ironic.

www.sawtryva.org/about-sawtry/our-values/promoting-british-values/

forgot link

and link to telegraph article

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2019/05/31/headmaster-30-years-used-school-funds-build-sex-dungeon-struck/

Clitheroe - that's disgusting, glad he's been struck off. What's that got to do with teaching inclusitivity in schools though?
I'm not sure what the two have to do with each other.
That you described - sick, glad struck off.
If a teacher questions inclusive lessons and doesn't agree with teaching it, that's not really good either.
They're completely different scenarios though.

What's that got to do with teaching inclusivity in schools though

You must have missed all the debate about inclusivity lessons being used to sexualise children and erode their boundaries which is a serious safeguarding issue - and so for that matter has Jess Philips.

If these lessons were about inclusivity then no one would have a problem with them. I suggest you look at the work that transgender trend has done in this regard. I understand that this is a large and complex issue to comprehend but it will definitely be worth your while to think about it a bit more deeply.

I honestly can't see a problem with letting children know it's OK to be gay or trans.

I agree with the first part of this, but as for the 'trans' part, what are we teaching them is OK? Here's the Stonewall Trans Umbrella

TRANS
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

Are we supposed to be teaching them about all those things? Will there be any time left to teach them English and Maths and all the other subjects? Should we be teaching them that it's OK to have gender dysphoria? Isn't that a bit like teaching them it's OK to be anorexic (a mental health condition)? Or is it more like teaching them it's OK to be diabetic (a physical health condition)? It must be like one of these, because it apparently needs medical treatment.

What do you mean, exactly, when you say 'trans'?