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Can we stop being obedient soon, or will this coercion continue for evermore?

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theOtherPamAyres · 25/05/2019 23:14

I know that Mumsnet moderators are hot on keeping respectful debate and for that reason does not allow misgendering, certain terms, and the like. It's their site and they make the rules and I respect that. This topic isn't about Mumsnet, it's about the growing confidence of feminists to refuse to use the terms and language of gender.

Karen Ingala Smith, speaking to the Womens Select Committee, showed how it could be done. As a result of the clarity of her language, she was able to cut through the nonsense and make her points forcefully. In contrast, Janet from Womens Aid, with her convoluted language about gender, sounded confused and muddle-headed.

When we are forced to use words like 'transwoman' and 'she' - for fear of prosecution, civil actions, job losses, imprisonment for contempt of court, exclusion, abuse and physical assaults - we have helped to normalise transgenderism. In effect, we are saying that a man can be a woman.

I believe that we can no longer support Trans Rights by default, by caving in and going with the flow. At some stage we have to assert the right to use our own terms - because we can't wait for legal precedents and government reviews. The more refusniks and recusants there are, the more confidence will grow.

What tips and tricks of language did you start using when you could no longer kowtow to the demand for obedience?
How did you write or speak about people/men/women who identify as trans? (Did you see what I did there?)

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S1naidSucks · 26/05/2019 20:31

Oh Mumsnet. I’m not being funny or sarcastic, but you need to sort this out. Coming on the same day as the male runs that brilliant story about John resigning, in part because of being silenced by Mermaids and his church, this is not a good look.

S1naidSucks · 26/05/2019 20:32

Mail The irony of that spellcheck. 🤣

AnyFucker · 26/05/2019 20:33

I love that these idiots trying to shut women up just spread the message ever wider

Talk about shoot yourself in your prettily manicured size 12 😏

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 26/05/2019 20:35

Thanks Empress

MNHQ - the banned post was clearly an analogy. I can't see why analysing the implications of compelled speeches against the spirit of the rules?

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 26/05/2019 20:54

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littlbrowndog · 26/05/2019 20:58

Yeah always we get deletions on a Sunday. Have noticed that

Dunno if it’s the monitors reporting or the mods being inexperienced

EverardDigby · 26/05/2019 20:59

I made my first ever “they” post the other day, complete with singular versions of the other words to highlight the nonsensical nature of it. They is going to have to etc.

Anyone else now looking forward to meeting a "they" to do this? It hasn't occurred to me before!

littlbrowndog · 26/05/2019 21:01

What barracker wrote is all over social media

Because it was so good

littlbrowndog · 26/05/2019 21:02

And NO reason to be deleted

Was fucking fantastic

Absolutepowercorrupts · 26/05/2019 21:05

AnyFucker I've seen a recent photo of Caitlyn Jenner and the feet were definitely not pretty at all.
littlbrowndog Yep Sunday on MN is a TRA delight day. You're right it's either mass reporting or inexperienced mods.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 26/05/2019 21:15

The reasons pronouns matter isn't because It spares hurty feelings. There's no worth in that compelled 'She' when you know the speaker doesn't mean it. No, the reason pronouns are such a massive deal is because pronouns act like jelly babies They lower inhibitions, make you feel safer, lessen defences

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/05/2019 21:18

Damn those somatic jelly babies.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 26/05/2019 21:19
Grin
Absolutepowercorrupts · 26/05/2019 21:20

Neuro I agree, they're right little fuckers aren't they

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/05/2019 21:22
Grin
NeurotrashWarrior · 26/05/2019 21:24

Agree littlebrowndog, zero guidelines broken. You could be right about Sundays.

Barracker wins the internet today.

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/05/2019 21:26

Watching your post absolute, waiting to see how jellybabies break guidelines...

Star for you too

EmpressLesbianInChair · 26/05/2019 21:29

Update from Barracker. She’s suspended for a week.

CodenameVillanelle · 26/05/2019 21:30

medium.com/@barrakerr/pronouns-are-rohypnol-dbcd1cb9c2d9

S1naidSucks · 26/05/2019 21:31
Grin
Can we stop being obedient soon, or will this coercion continue for evermore?
EmpressLesbianInChair · 26/05/2019 21:33

GrinWine

S1naidSucks · 26/05/2019 21:35

Well done Barracker. Your words have power, as you can see on the internet.

Thank you MNHQ and have the whole bottle. Gin You probably need it today. Grin

JessicaWakefieldSV · 26/05/2019 21:36

Well I have just been reminded why I haven’t been coming to MN much on weekends! We only notice by the way, because Barracker is long-standing and well loved. We are not free to speak here either.

Can someone tell me of any London groups for GC women? I think we need to make sure we have real-life connections, where we can speak without the coercive control.

AlwaysComingHome · 26/05/2019 21:36

It's a shame Ursula K Le Guin isn't still writing science fiction.

Seconded - obviously!

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 26/05/2019 21:37

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