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Mermaids response to piece in Mail tomorrow

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EweSurname · 25/05/2019 16:14

Looking forward to seeing what drops

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/press-enquiry-from-the-mail-on-sunday-25th-may-2019.html

We are very proud of the training we offer to schools and we have a proven record of helping teachers to support vulnerable children who simply want to get along with their lessons like any of their classmates.

We are disappointed to find that a school governor has made a covert recording of our training because our presentations are not held in secret and all of the scientific and legal information we offer is publicly available and well-tested.

We are surprised to see that a Church of England rector is complaining about our training when we are included in the CoE guidance on support for transgender people, which can be found here.

Part of the work of Mermaids is giving training talks to schools. These talks are well received and are an important part of how we promote an inclusive and informed approach to trans children and those who support them.

We have been contacted by the Mail on Sunday who are doing an article about one such talk. This post is our response, in accordance with our policy of posting our replies to media queries for the benefit of anyone interested in our activities.

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theOtherPamAyres · 27/05/2019 20:33

Transgender Trend has analysed the Mermaids' Press Statement and in particular the Scientific and legal claims.

Helpfully, it includes the clarification on the Equality Act made by the Equality and Human Rights Commission in July 2018
after the EHRC misrepresented the law the first time around

www.transgendertrend.com/analysis-mermaids-press-statement/

justasking111 · 27/05/2019 20:42

Now this is a step forward for children needing help.

·
5h
Mermaids new Crisis Text Line is provided in partnership with
@GiveUsAShout
(the UK arm of
@CrisisTextLine
) set up as part of the Duke of Cambridge and Duke of Sussex
@heads_together
programme.

ChickenonaMug · 27/05/2019 20:43

boatyardblues thank you. I worry that I sound like a bloody broken record going on about it! The issue is so immense and concerning though.

theOtherPamAyres thank you for posting the link.

JanMeyer · 27/05/2019 21:00

The other half of the sympathy oddly came from having an autistic and mentally unwell child myself. I got sick of the dismissive ‘they all do that’ or ‘all on the spectrum somewhere’. It left me unwilling to dismiss anyone’s struggles as being ‘all in the mind’, given that our mind is so much of what we are. Also unwilling to accept that dysphoria was as trivial as ‘just’ misery at societal roles, any more than my child’s struggles were ‘just’ fussiness. I still sympathise but am no longer prepared to pretend males are really female. Sorry, accidentally wrote an essay.

I get what you mean, about feeling sympathy because of autism related matters. That's what allowed me to feel a modicum of sympathy at first. When I was younger I was a little obsessed with the idea of being a boy, of course now I know that's actually quite a common thing for autistic girls. Now I understand what gender stereotypes are, and that anyone can like football and Star Wars and that being a girl doesn't have to mean dressing in a "feminine way."

Anyway, don't worry about the essay writing Smile, I can't complain, it's bad habit of my own. Thanks for answering my question.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 27/05/2019 21:07

Transgender Trend have done a magnificent takedown of Mermaids’ statement.

R0wantrees · 27/05/2019 21:14

Transgender Trend has analysed the Mermaids' Press Statement and in particular the Scientific and legal claims.

Its conclusion should be noted:

Although this exercise felt a bit like marking the paper of a very poor student – with mounting horror – the result (a resounding Fail) is not funny. Mermaids is the organisation awarded half a million pounds by the Big Lottery which they will use to set up ‘support groups’ for young children and their parents across the UK. The Department for Education gave them £35,000 to go into our children’s schools to deliver training to teaching staff, such as the session at the C of E school at the head of this piece.

The care of gender dysphoric children must be based on robust medical evidence which can withstand scientific scrutiny. The press statement from Mermaids proves nothing they set out to prove. It does succeed, however, in exposing how ideological belief can overtake reality. This cannot ever be seen as an acceptable basis for the treatment and care of children and young people

AncientLights · 27/05/2019 21:17

Absolutely wonderful take down of the Mermaid's statement by Transgender Trend. Shows them up for what they are. I do so hope Rev Parker gets to read it.

R0wantrees · 27/05/2019 21:17

Now this is a step forward for children needing help.

Is it?
Not if Mermaids are providing information & training for wider mental health support services for children.
(see above)

S1naidSucks · 27/05/2019 21:26

Now this is a step forward for children needing help.

No it’s not. It’s a gate way to vulnerable, confused children, by a company that is deliberately misrepresenting the law and using fake science. Who do you reckon trained the people working on those helplines?

R0wantrees · 27/05/2019 21:57

Dr Heather Brunskell-Evans speech from Declaration of a Sex Based Rights at Leeds Civic Hall Saturday 25th May 2019

(extract)
"Gendered Intelligence and Mermaids have no clinical expertise or child psychology background.

The alleged ‘middle-course’ of the Tavistock is deeply politically positioned and ethically compromised — a phenomenon the clinic disavows when challenged by whistle blowers. In effect it is driven by a single theoretical construct: it has at its core the issue of ‘gender identity’ defined by transgender theory and lobbying. As an endocrinologist said last week at The House of Lords:
“Physicians need to start examining Gender Affirming Therapy through the objective eye of the scientist-clinician rather than the ideological lens of the social activist”.

Reclaiming Children’s Human Rights
I return to the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child and point out that since the introduction of ‘gender identity’ as an inherent characteristic “the best interests of the child” – not only those confused by gender but ALL children – have not been the primary consideration of their adult caretakers.

Firstly, with regard to the child’s “right to the enjoyment of health”, the institutions, services and facilities responsible for the care or protection of children have NOT conformed with the standards established by competent authorities, particularly in the areas of safety and health and for the following reasons:

Gender medicine is the only branch of medicine which makes healthy people medical patients for life. It offers physically healthy children and young people dangerous, off-label drug treatment with life-long deleterious consequences on the basis of a child’s subjective feeling, for which there is no scientific test. There is no neuroscientific evidence for pink brains and blue brains; there are no established diagnostic criteria, laboratory imaging or other objective tests to diagnose a ‘true transgender child’.

Almost all children on puberty blockers progress to cross-sex hormones, and blockers plus cross-sex hormones inevitably lead to sterility and — the increasingly common trend — mastectomy for young women. Even short-term hormone treatment leaves irreversible effects on the bodies of young people who want to ‘transition back’.

The model of alleged ‘informed consent’ to hormone therapy is woefully inadequate since children are not developmentally competent to give full, free and informed consent to such medical interventions or to comprehend, despite the transgender narrative that feeds youthful fantasies, that when they are adults they can be transformed to the opposite sex. So called ‘gender affirmation surgery’ can only simulate sex organs, for example by excising the penis and testicles to construct an internal, insensate cavity into the male body, or by creating a prosthetic penis fashioned from flesh taken from elsewhere on the female body. The consequence of this is not only sterility, but the reduction or even complete elimination of sexual, genital sensation. The tragedy is that the vast majority of children will resolve gender dysphoria naturally during adolescence.
Gender questioning and feeling trans are influenced by a complex mix of personal pre-disposition (e.g. related to trauma in the child’s background and autism) and the larger culture of sexualization and sexual objectification of girls. Nearly 70% of referrals to the Tavistock gender clinic last year were girls. We should stop encouraging young people to believe they are trans. The children and adolescents who are allegedly ‘consenting’ have been taught about ‘gender identity’ by organizations such as Gendered Intelligence, Mermaids and Stonewall, and are influenced by the glamorisation of transgenderism on the internet and social media.

Secondly, with regard to “the rights, responsibilities and duties of parents” to safe-guard their children, ironically, parents who do not believe their child has been ‘born in the wrong body’ and immediately affirm they are transgender are often regarded by agencies as failing to safeguard their children. But adult caretaking requires — no,obliges— parents to guide their children through the psychological, maturational stages of childhood and adolescence necessary to achieve adulthood, before allowing them to take any deep, irreversible decisions about their bodies." (continues)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3596961-Dr-Heather-Brunskell-Evans-at-Leeds-Declaration-Event

justasking111 · 27/05/2019 22:04

Sorry I was thinking children in general rather than one particular group of children. What happened to childline did that go by the board?

R0wantrees · 27/05/2019 22:07

Childline is still going strong.
Its provided by the NSPCC
I have a feeling they were trained/advised by one of the trans lobby groups (Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence etc)

justasking111 · 27/05/2019 22:26

Well checking them out, they are all adult text helplines, so children still need childline.

NeurotrashWarrior · 28/05/2019 16:08

Childline is still going strong.
Its provided by the NSPCC
I have a feeling they were trained/advised by one of the trans lobby groups (Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence etc)

Which is why I get a little worried about this safeguarding whistle blowing helpline:

www.nspcc.org.uk/what-you-can-do/report-abuse/dedicated-helplines/whistleblowing-advice-line/

Mermaids response to piece in Mail tomorrow
R0wantrees · 29/05/2019 13:28

recording of the training session by Mermaids Charity representative as featured in the Daily Mail:

soundcloud.com/christianconcern/lgbt-group-mermaids-training-teachers-and-governors-at-a-church-of-england-primary-school/s-BRUBN

The dimmer switch as evidence of light as a spectrum nonsense is still there.

May be useful to compare and contrast with the training session run by the same Mermaids representative in December 2018:

see thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3454658-recording-of-mermaids-training

R0wantrees · 29/05/2019 17:16

link to transcript of the training session:
twitter.com/CConcern/status/1133755742853451776

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 29/05/2019 19:07

The dimmer switch as evidence of light as a spectrum nonsense is still there.

Even this simple concept is being lied about, they are talking about the brightness of the light, not a spectrum. The light spectrum is everything from ultra violet to infrared, as in, the colours....

They can't even get a literal concept for a rainbow correct, what hope is there for biology.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/05/2019 19:24

It’s not biology🙄 it’s magic 🧙‍♀️ (I blame Harry Potter myself for a generation of jelly brains)

TheCuriousMonkey · 29/05/2019 19:29

Just skim read the transcript. Jeez she was almost speaking sense at the start about what a load of bollocks "gender reveals" are. And about how gender stereotyping starts antenatally.

God knoes how she can go from that to "therefore we are all on a gender spectrum and if you're on the "wrong" bit of the spectrum you must be trans" nonsense is beyond me.

justju · 29/05/2019 19:51

That transcript is unfuckingbelievable. I mean really, she's talking absolute nonsense!

That poor man, he tried so hard, I hope he knows how grateful some of us are for that - and recording too, well done.

It's like talking to a cult though, they won't listen and they will attack.

NeurotrashWarrior · 30/05/2019 12:17

Re mermaids and pink news, this has just popped up on twitter...

Mermaids response to piece in Mail tomorrow
NeurotrashWarrior · 30/05/2019 12:18

twitter.com/neverfallingfo1/status/1134046174997110786?s=21

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/05/2019 12:27

It's a fascinatingly small world when you start looking....

GarlandsAndPosies · 31/05/2019 15:08

This blog by a developmental psychologist mentions Mermaids, and shows how wrong the trans lobby groups are getting it. It's about how children come to understand what sex they (and others) are:
'Six year olds think that if you change your clothes you change sex'
medium.com/@katieja/young-children-reality-sex-and-gender-3421f4f165f1

It is based on a v good talk she gave at this event:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3551115-Gender-Identity-Safeguarding-Children-and-Young-People-For-Women-Lancashire