City of London Consultation Results - they can't get away with this

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Man Friday!

The City of London consultation on “gender identity” and single-sex facilities (including Hampstead Ponds, toilets and changing rooms at running track, facilities at the Barbican etc... ) results are out .

It's bad. The policy has been adopted on the basis of the flawed survey and misreading of the equality act.

My thread here

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1130973355849461765.html

They can't get away with this!

email:

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now deleted/unavailable article from last year:

www.citymatters.london/corporation-announces-review-gender-identity-policies/
(extract)
"Edward Lord, chairman of the establishment committee, which leads on the City Corporation’s workforce and inclusion policies, said the authority will “draw on the expertise of relevant organisations” during the consultation process.

He added: “Our vision is to build and support strong, sustainable and cohesive communities by ensuring all our policies are fully inclusive.”

A report could be ready to go before the establishment and policy and resources committees in September and October respectively, with a view to submit a draft policy for decision in November.

Bernard Reed, a trustee of the Gender Identity Research & Education Society (GIRES), said that while such changes make welcome reading, major organisations are playing catch up when it comes to aligning their policy to reflect modern society.

“If the Corporation wants to approach us for assistance we would be happy to help,” he said.

“GIRES is already doing a lot of work with agents in the City regarding their policy and development.” " (continues)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317922-City-of-London-Corporation-consultation-is-out-this-covers-Hampstead-Ponds?pg=6

They don't understand what the Equality Act says.

10. The Equality Act requires that people with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment are not discriminated against in the provision of single-sex services and are able to access services aligning with their gender identity.

From here:

democracy.cityoflondon.gov.uk/documents/s113890/2019.04%20Gender%20Identity%20Policy.pdf

They obviously think that if they repeat their error enough times it will make it true.

14. The Equality Act gives protection against less favourable treatment of employees in relation to an absence that is because of their gender reassignment... In addition, it states that a trans employee must be able to use the toilet or changing room of their expressed gender identity without fear of harassment.

From the 'Equality Analysis', under the heading of 'Sex'.

Some males and females who use single-sex facilities have concerns about and/or are uncomfortable with trans access to those facilities (as illustrated by some of the responses to the City Corporation’s GI Survey).

So they noticed this, before they removed those responses as 'invalid'.

What is the proposal’s impact on the equalities aims?

Sex is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010.
The Act also has a strong inclusive presumption for trans people with respect to single sex services and facilities.

Saying it once more in the hope it comes true.

Under 'Religion or Belief'

The GI Policy may challenge beliefs about single sex services and facilities in some religious communities. The GI Policy could therefore have a challenging impact on the use of services and facilities by members of those communities.

I wonder how they're going to sort that one out.

You ladies are amazing, thank you so much for being so wonderful 😊

I was cheesed off enough at their wretched and sneaky questionnaire, which it took me a long time to complete but now I know they tossed it aside, I am steaming. Lead me to the crowd funder.

From the day the 'consultation' was launched, there was never a doubt about the outcome.

It's illustrative of the TRA agenda though. As well as the male pond, there was already a mixed one. The TRAs didn't care, they just wanted to infiltrate the female pond.

Fucking bullshit.

Wish I was closer, would love to have a swim in the men’s pond and breastfeed my baby with my man breasts.

If anyone thinks the dissenting responses haven't already been permanently deleted, they're fooling themselves.

FOI requests won't change that, if there is nothing to show anymore.

I'm incandescent about this. Heading for Twitter to make sure that journalists are aware of what's happened here. Nonsultation is a very good word for it. Insultation would be another.

Buzz I was thinking that too. But then I thought the corporation should have a retention policy/schedule for personal data that they collect. I'm not an expert but I'd be surprised if you are allowed to do a public consultation then immediately destroy some records. Might not have stopped them though.

The research being showcased on this thread is impressive.!!

An insultation is exactly what this is. Great word!

The corporation does have a retention policy/schedule. It's mentioned in their data protection policy. But it doesn't seem to be online.

Yeah, but even if they do have a policy, it's done. Probably an "accident by an intern no longer with them"

Remember how some MPs expenses got accidentally shredded before the big reveal?

All the handwringing in the world didn't unshred them, so that was that.

Info commissioner was toothless before gdpr and not really tested since.

It was widely promoted on trans-twitter.
Many twitterTRAs fromoutside the UK were commenting that they were completing it at the time it was running.

So basically some unidentifiable international 'community' were given a say in whether or not women in London deserve privacy, so that non-binary Edward can go to the Ladies' Pond when they fancies it?

You ladies are amazing, thank you so much for being so wonderful
+1. I'm just fuming.

So basically some unidentifiable international 'community' were given a say in whether or not women in London deserve privacy, so that non-binary Edward can go to the Ladies' Pond when they fancies it?

Those who do not use twitter or follow TRAs such as Edward Lord would be considerably less likely to know the consultation was happening.
Many people who use the services provided by City of London Corporation and so directly impacted would have been disinfranchised.

Online surveys such as this are not fit for purpose.

Have written to my MP about this, is just SO WRONG. London is very multi cultural and this is deliberately excluding women of certain faiths from the womens pool....FFS there is already a mixed sex one.

Buzz yes you are right. But a foi or/and judicial review would at least reveal it.

CoL will have known that we were all going to be incandescent at them disregarding half the responses.

So is it that they are so cocksure that we'll be ignored, that they decided to do it anyway and just front it out?

So is it that they are so cocksure that we'll be ignored, that they decided to do it anyway and just front it out?

Seems that way doesn't it?

7 City of London police officers removed a small group of lesbians and other women from the Accenture LGBT+ event

apologies, my link previously was incorrect.
Full thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3539529-Lesbians-removed-from-Accenture-inclusive-trans-event-by-7-police-officers

Well that'll teach me to preview before posting.

I meant to write that I was more than willing to contribute towards funding a legal challenge, because the current equality laws needs to be clarified once and for all.

This is surely ripe for judicial review. I would stick cash into that. It's just outrageous.

I completed the consultation - no doubt my responses were binned for wrong think.

Agree it was rigged as fuck in the quantitative sections. I spent a lot of time on the response to this as did many others because it was so hard to make normal points due to the absolute bias and rigging of the answer options.

Does being a respondent give us any extra rights to enquire of them what on earth is going on here?