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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Spoiled ballots?

162 replies

Binglebong · 20/05/2019 14:18

As far as I can see there is no point to the election on Thursday - the MEPs will have nothing to do wish I'd stood. So I am seriously considering using it as an opportunity to spoil my ballot with Woman - Adult Human Female.

Any thoughts?

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JessicaWakefieldSV · 23/05/2019 12:39

LangCleg Grin

Justhadathought · 23/05/2019 12:39

Im afraid on this thread, bellini, that kind of comment is manipulative, shameful, bullying, appalling and disgusting

It is clear you feel very passionately about Brexit - but your tone is dismissive, sarcastic ( aggressive) and indeed shaming in tone.
Read back over your posts - and imagine someone had posted similarly towards you.

Helmetbymidnight · 23/05/2019 12:46

You are the only one here who is going on about people's opinions being shameful, bullying, disgusting, etcShe's not actually....

I know that. How many times do I have to say this? RTFT.

nauticant · 23/05/2019 12:52

Is this the Brexit effect? That whenever the dreaded B word gets pulled into a discussion everyone falls out big-time?

terryleather · 23/05/2019 12:52

According to some I've been letting down the Suffragettes since the early 90s as that's how long I've been spoiling my ballot in elections.

I've just done it again - wrote none over the ballot and decorated with an adult human female sticker.

No regrets.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 23/05/2019 12:54

and decorated with an adult human female sticker.

Oh I wish I had some now... and a green crayon.

Helmetbymidnight · 23/05/2019 12:58

As a (non-British) EU citizen who has lived half her life in the UK I can’t tell you enough how much the outcome of these elections will mean to me. The overall percentage of remainer parties vs the Brexit lot will show me what kind of country this is. If Brexit win I don’t know what I’ll do. Probably just despair.

I agree with this poster and to hear her being told she is 'playing the victim' (on the feminism boards no less) is so sad. I now fully appreciate that AT LEAST TWO POSTERS find that opinion emotionally manipulative/shaming/bullying/disgusting and appalling. I have learnt something today.

bellinisurge · 23/05/2019 13:00

I read @Helmetbymidnight's posts. Couldn't see anything bullying about them. Arguing amongst ourselves about non- problems only has one winner.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 23/05/2019 13:05

. I now fully appreciate that AT LEAST TWO POSTERS find that opinion....

What opinion? Don’t go putting words into people’s mouths. Only one person responded to the comment you quoted directly. Don’t you misrepresent me. Your continued aggression on this thread is really unnecessary. I didn’t respond to you swearing at me before, but I don’t think you’re in a position to tell anyone else how to speak given your own posts.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 23/05/2019 13:07

Arguing amongst ourselves about non- problems only has one winner

I’m not sure which ‘non-problems’ you’re referring to, but others can decide for themselves what is or isn’t a problem for them. Helmet swore at me and is being very aggressive. That is a problem for a number of posters wishing to express opinions without being sworn at.

bellinisurge · 23/05/2019 13:12

Seriously didn't see any swearing. Which is why I said non-problem.
But if they did and I missed it I suggest you report it.

Helmetbymidnight · 23/05/2019 13:15

Well, I'll accept my posts are sarcastic, arsey and even a bit twattish, Grin but not bullying or shaming.

Apologies also, if I've misrepresented you, Jessica.

I do hope people vote today, and I do think a no vote AND a spoiled vote IS a vote for Farage, (not a good thing) but I do appreciate that not everyone sees it like that.

Flowers
Helmetbymidnight · 23/05/2019 13:17

I did swear, she's right. It was a fucking.

But I HAD apologised already and then to be told to RTFT after that outraged me.

Sorry again, Jessica and Bellini.

Binglebong · 23/05/2019 13:56

Women fought for the right for all women to have the choice to vote. Feminism is about the liberation of women. I will do whatever the hell I want with my vote and I will not accept other women attempting to guilt trip me by bringing the suffragettes into it.

Well put.

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deydododatdodontdeydo · 23/05/2019 14:11

I do hope people vote today, and I do think a no vote AND a spoiled vote IS a vote for Farage, (not a good thing) but I do appreciate that not everyone sees it like that.

Nonsense, I hate all this stuff. A vote for Farage is a vote for Farage, nothing less.
People often tell me "if you don't vote, you can't complain", and if I haven't voted for whoever they wanted me to: "oh well, you may as well have voted for "x"".
No.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 23/05/2019 14:15

I just got another flyer from the Lib Dem’s through my door! Geez. It’s bad enough the neighbour opposite has a big Lib Dem sign in their window!

RedToothBrush · 23/05/2019 14:52

Honestly I'm struggling to decide who to vote for. I will vote but reluctantly.

I am annoyed at the suggestion that women should 'suck it up' and vote for a party because 'Brexit is more important and more pressing now' and that fighting the trans issue is something that can wait until after Brexit.

I personally don't share that vote. Not when rights are being eroded and damage is being down now, and once legislation or rules have been put into place they are a lot harder to reverse. You have to first have a result to review policy, which in effect ultimately means a scandal that has broken on such a scale that forces slow, beaucratic jobsworths to be forced to change things. Anyone who saw last nights panorama might realise that even then it can change nothing, because these issues affect the vulnerable most (as in people who can't or don't vote for a variety of reasons).

The fight can't wait.

And wait until when?

We still don't know when Brexit will be done. And what do we class as done? When we formally leave the EU (who knows another extension might happen), when we end the transition phase (if we get one) or once we get a final trade deal with the EU completed?

This is the problem for me. Brexit isn't a singular event. It's an ongoing process that one way or another is going to go on and dominate politics for years yet. Possibly a decade or more.

Meanwhile the trans issue is actively harming people right now. Vulnerable groups of children, ethnic minorities, families, old skool transsexuals. As well as eroding at the very concept of democratic debate and political oversight and accountability.

Personally I hope that people will vote, as I think the concept of political debate and political oversight is most at risk if the Brexit Party get a decent result which they can catapult off and destroy the Tory party in the process (if you are not familiar with the word the term 'brexcel' as in incel who uses Brexit to further aims is one that I've seen coined with a certain amount of legitimacy and merit). Women's rights will most definitely suffer with a very hard Brexit.

There is no 'right' answer here.

Women's rights are at severe risk due to a pincer movement by the left and right. RIGHT NOW.

Some of the 'you must vote because the trans issue is less important and we can fight it later' sentiment does feel like it's belittling the scale of the issue and I take somewhat personally as no one really wanting to fight for people who have been already badly effected. It's like saying, you just aren't important enough for me, and brushing it under the carpet until a 'more convenient time'.

At the same time I am very aware that voter demoralisation and the trans issue were deliberately used in the USA election to further Trump's aim. I'm mindful of the same dynamic here.

Spoiling my ballot is not what I plan to do. I can however understand why some want to do it and in some ways I'm glad. Though I fear the implications all the same.

I just hope that everyone planning to spoil their vote has through long and hard about their decision from both angles and come to an informed decision on that basis.

The essence of a liberal democracy is the basic right to disagree on politics and express that political view without coercising people by authoritarian means of control.

We are in this mess because of rising authoritarianism on all sides. We aren't going to get out of it, with more of the same! You have to understand and value the underpinning principles of liberal democracy in order to fight for its preservation.

Its the heart and soul of the current political argument that everyone seems to have forgotten, even amongst those who profess they believe in those principles.

And that's why authoritarianism is winning.

bellinisurge · 23/05/2019 15:02

Words of wisdom as ever @RedToothBrush

Binglebong · 23/05/2019 15:03

They are then sorted and the ones which look like the person intended to vote for one party, but didn’t just cross or tick are shown to the candidates to decide whether they will accept them as a vote or not.

So if you put your cross in a box next to your chosen candidate and wrote on the paper as well, I think this would mean that the candidates would look at (and read if it was short) your ballot paper and decide if it counted as a vote. What you wrote could cause the candidates not to accept it though.

This is what I did in the end. Scrawled all over it and put a cross in a box. Although I have seen so few leaflets and dislike so many parties it was a case of least worse for me!

On a seperate note: every person who has clicked on this thread has given their vote some thought. So whater you voted or not, for whoever you decided, and spoilt your ballot or not, here's to you. Thank you for caring enough to think. Wine

(That was genuine btw, just couldn't think of a less cheap way to say it!Grin)

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Destinysdaughter · 23/05/2019 15:39

I looked st the website that tells you how to vote tactically if you want to remain. Unfortunately mine is Green, and since I live in Coventry, where Aimee Challenor was a member of the Green Party, I can’t do that. They’re now in the Lib Dems so can’t vote for them either!

I genuinely do not know what to do...

Tanith · 23/05/2019 15:41

If Women's Rights are the most important to you, then you could vote Change or UKIP.

Change also has a female leader. UKIP had one, but no longer does.

MenuPlant · 23/05/2019 15:42

I can't see how ukip would be a vote for women's rights lol

Antibles · 23/05/2019 15:54

The essence of a liberal democracy is to respect democratic votes. The test of your support for democracy is how you behave when the vote doesn't go your way.

I think it's disgraceful that I'm being asked to vote for MEPs again today. If I'm asked to vote in a second referendum it will be a shamefully anti-democratic outcome and I'll know where the authoritarian problem lies. Overruling or ignoring vote results because you think you know better is exactly how dictators think. It is that very human response which good political systems are designed to keep in check. Ignoring results is such a dangerous line to cross for a single issue, however important to you at the time.

Spoiling votes is fine by me. It's counted as part of the turnout. You took part. It's no voter's fault if none of the candidates are palatable.

Justhadathought · 23/05/2019 15:57

I genuinely do not know what to do...

Do want feels right and truthful for you.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 23/05/2019 16:01

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