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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Spoiled ballots?

162 replies

Binglebong · 20/05/2019 14:18

As far as I can see there is no point to the election on Thursday - the MEPs will have nothing to do wish I'd stood. So I am seriously considering using it as an opportunity to spoil my ballot with Woman - Adult Human Female.

Any thoughts?

OP posts:
Helmetbymidnight · 23/05/2019 11:21

Apologies, there's at least two of you here think people's posts are manipulative, shameful, bullying, appalling and disgusting.

Grin

Unbelievable.

bellinisurge · 23/05/2019 11:25

Spoil if you want but this is is unique election when we all have a chance to stick the middle finger up at Leave or Remain. It's likely to be a meaningless election in that we will be out one way or the other soon enough.
I'd say "Pick your battles", this isn't one for now. But you are free to do what you want.
To my mind anything that isn't a clear Remain party is a vote for Faridge. We have lots of shit to stop but I'll start with him.

nauticant · 23/05/2019 11:31

emotional blackmail by some people on this thread quite disgusting

Having been raised by a narc I find attempts to shame/bully absolutely appalling

I'm very unimpressed by this kind of behaviour. It feels manipulative to me.

Helmetbymidnight · 23/05/2019 11:32

Im afraid on this thread, bellini, that kind of comment is manipulative, shameful, bullying, appalling and disgusting.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 23/05/2019 11:34

Helmet, actually there are more than two of us who find the emotional manipulation on here to be OTT. RTFT.

People who spoil ballots are generally perceived as the green crayon brigade.

See ^ there is shaming and judgement about spoilt ballots throughout this thread.

Women fought for the right for all women to have the choice to vote. Feminism is about the liberation of women. I will do whatever the hell I want with my vote and I will not accept other women attempting to guilt trip me by bringing the suffragettes into it.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 23/05/2019 11:35

Helmetbymidnight I find your sarcasm and guarding to be really uncalled for on the feminism boards. It’s certainly not going to encourage anyone to vote, if that’s your intention.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 23/05/2019 11:35

goading not guarding!

bellinisurge · 23/05/2019 11:38

Oh dear @Helmetbymidnight . And we have so many battles to fight.

Helmetbymidnight · 23/05/2019 11:38

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nauticant · 23/05/2019 11:41

This is the kind of discussion where sarcasm can really cause a mischief. (Not sarcasm.)

Just to be clear my post was being annoyed at people policing the thread and declaring what kind of posting was and was not permitted. I really dislike the flinging around of accusations of emotional blackmail, shaming, bullying etc. (Also not sarcasm.)

I'm in the non-spoil faction but people can do what they want. (Not sarcasm as well.)

PantsyMcPantsface · 23/05/2019 11:52

I voted Lib Dem - cannot bring myself to spoil a ballot paper with how strongly I oppose the whole Brexit shit show and Change UK would be seen as endorsing the awful Soubry around here so no way... website says I should vote Green tactically but that's a step too far.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 23/05/2019 11:53

nauticant

Ok so to be clear to you, I am not ‘policing’ what people can say, or vote. I am saying I find the manipulation and guilt tripping on the thread annoying and crap on a feminism board. I’m allowed to respond to others posts without being accused of ‘policing’ things.

Women can vote, not vote or spoil votes and not have let down the suffragette. Ok.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 23/05/2019 11:57

And we have so many battles to fight.

Yes we do, and we are capable of doing more than one thing at the same time. We are also capable of deciding for ourselves, what is most important to us.

bellinisurge · 23/05/2019 11:58

Bloody hell @JessicaWakefieldSV , what prompted that.
Seriously, do what you want with your vote. Obviously.

Genderfreelass · 23/05/2019 12:00

I agree Jessica.

Maybe I worded my post badly - have asked for edit/deletion.

I am happy for people to vote remain if that's what they support. Others who want to spoil their ballots or vote leave are equally valid in doing so.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 23/05/2019 12:05

what prompted that

This discussion. Obviously.

Helmetbymidnight · 23/05/2019 12:09

To call YourOP's heartfelt post playing the victim was low.

Maybe best it's deleted. This being the feminism board and all.

bellinisurge · 23/05/2019 12:12

Christ on a bike. I've been advocating ballot paper spoiling onhere for every election recently. I happen to think that this one is only about one thing so if people want to vote about that thing there's no problem. Is there? And obviously spoiling the paper is a legitimate thing too. But it lessens the antiFaridge impact because few shits are given in the UK for anything else in this election.

AdoraBell · 23/05/2019 12:12

I can’t spoil my ballot this time, too many Brexit Party candidates in my area. It looks like Lib Dems will be my best option Hmm

moonrises · 23/05/2019 12:17

I'll be voting LD, probably as useful as pissing in the wind, but I have to try.

MsMcWibble · 23/05/2019 12:24

Well I just spoiled my ballot, and no, I didn't use a green crayon, I used an Adult Human Female sticker and wrote 'stop giving away women's rights' with my Adult Human Female pen. (Perk from Brighton meeting.)
Then I went outside and told the Lib Dem woman all about self id and that the Lib Dems didn't want people like me in their party.
I don't trust any of the fuckers and none of them are having my vote.

moonrises · 23/05/2019 12:34

I fear that coming out of Europe will make things a lot worse for women. Spoilt papers are just handing NF more of a majority. And he cares diddly squat about women.

Justhadathought · 23/05/2019 12:34

You are the only one here who is going on about people's opinions being shameful, bullying, disgusting, etc

She's not actually.....I mentioned earlier on in the thread that some of the urgings to vote and not spoil were bordering on emotional manipulation. And if not that, then certainly very dismissive.

People clearly feel strongly about matters, and for some Brexit is the most important issue. For others, women's rights and the whole trans issue is the single, most important issue. I can see that both are important, even though I think that the women's rights issue is far more profound and longer lasting than the issue of Brexit ever will or can be. People want to vote with integrity; and spoiled ballots are counted.

Brexit has been a huge shit show, from what I've observed. Remainers trying to belittle or downgrade Brexit voters ( see a post above who claims that Brexit voters have no valid arguments), trying to claim some sort of moral high-ground. I voted Remain, but at the same time am not some kind of evangelical Europhile - and can see that it has many faults. For example, I've just been along to vote ( Change UK - the only 'remain' party on the ballot paper not have made comments that TWAW) and yet can see how deeply undemocratic it is. I've never met or even seen any of the candidates; know nothing about them. It wouldn't surprise me in the least that they might swan around in Strasbourg on expense accounts, which are probably never throughly scrutinised, for example. Just faceless, box-ticking bureaucrats......Very nice if you can get the job.

People must vote with their conscience at the end of the day, and according to what they feel to be most important.

LangCleg · 23/05/2019 12:36

Spoiling your ballot may seem attractive, but it never serves any purpose

Spoiling your ballot may seem attractive, but it never serves my purpose

There. Fixed it for you.

LangCleg · 23/05/2019 12:38

I've spoiled my ballot. Couldn't give a single solitary shit who thinks it was a good idea and who thinks it was a bad idea.

For context: I voted Remain in the referendum but in a reluctant, frying-pan-and-fire way, regarding the EU not as anybody's saviour but as the lesser of two evils.