No one talking about the fact that Alabama have outlawed abortion?

[Bedsidedrawer]

25 white, republican men deciding authority on women's bodies...

People are talking about it, its all over facebook. Absolutely disgusting though.

Yes, there are several threads already with hundreds of posts. Here's 2 of them

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3581358-Georgia-USA-makes-abortion-punishable-by-life-imprisonment

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3586296-What-on-earth-is-going-on-in-America

There are several threads about it on FWR and AIBU.

What's the fact that they're white got to do with it? You think black and asian republican men wouldn't have done this?

Apologies for our somewhat Eurocentric take on it, with a lack of precise distinctions between the various states doing terrible things to women's rights. Alabama's dreadful situation has been subsumed into the thread on Georgia - this may be why you couldn't find a thread with "Alabama" specifically in the title (the Georgia thread also covers Ohio's proposed law changes and the terrible situation of the 11 year old rape/incest victim who may be forced to bear her rapist's child).

Another one

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/3586136-Alabama-has-made-abortion-illegal

Please feel free to pitch in on the AIBU thread, btw - the more feminists the better. (We have some very doctrinaire forced birthers on that thread - few in number, but with remarkable amounts of time on their hands to post crap. It's like forced birth bingo - we've had scare stories about breast cancer, false statistics, you name it, it's on there.)

Everyone's talking about it.
My Facebook feed has gone crazy.
I've seen a few post on here.

Because white men are the predominant factor in the patriarchy. Simple really.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3581358-Georgia-USA-makes-abortion-punishable-by-life-imprisonment

Ok, there have been threads. But I'm another one who feels the level of discussion/outrage/buzz is disproportionate to what's happened.

It's not just that abortion has been outlawed, including for rape and invest victims, in 2019 in one part of the United States - something I never imagined possible. It's also that this is a significant advance in the project to get Roe vs Wade overturned. And that I now realise, with shock, that this is truly possible.

Somehow I thought we - women - would rise up before we watched this happen.

What's the fact that they're white got to do with it? You think black and asian republican men wouldn't have done this?

There are only four women in the Alabama senate. FOUR! There are at least a few PoC but robably not republicans. None of them voted for this. One of the women (also a woman of colour), Linda Coleman-Madison out forward an "amendment, which would require the state to provide free prenatal and medical care for mothers who had been denied an abortion by the law, [it] was struck down."

Tell me that's not a war on women. You want them pregnant, but not cared for in pregnancy. So you care about neither them, nor the child, because adequate maternal healthcare is essential. You just want to force them to give birth.

There are no swear words bad enough for these men.

Another thread about it: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3586296-What-on-earth-is-going-on-in-America?watched=1&msgid=87126835#87126835

Oops, sorry, just noticed the link has already been posted.

Instead here's the link for the campaign to decriminalise abortion in Northern Ireland. nowforni.uk/

You think black and asian republican men wouldn't have done this?
Because Georgia and Alabama are filled with Black and Asian Republican politicians...

Interesting article in the New York Times today, saying that not only is Roe on a way to be overturned, but what is happening is worse than what was in place before Roe.

Do you have a share token for the NYT article, Orchidoptic ? I've been saying something similar for some months.

Reversing Roe v. Wade would merely ( merely!!! ) return things to how they were before, with legality/illegality varying from state to state.

But I think the "imprison women for murder if they have an abortion" laws being floated are far more sinister - they are an attempt to turn it into a crime that a right-wing leaning SCOTUS could argue should be illegal at a federal level. So California and New York State would be forced into line along with the mad bible belt states.

Found it, and it doesn't seem to be pay-walled!
www.nytimes.com/2019/05/16/opinion/alabama-abortion-georgia-roe.html

Loads about it if you follow any Americans on Twitter.
Here's a polite one twitter.com/brideofraindog/status/1128934939632603136

@NoneButOurselves

Ok, there have been threads. But I'm another one who feels the level of discussion/outrage/buzz is disproportionate to what's happened.

And yet you have posted on nothing about it.

If you are outraged then be outraged, don't have a pop at other people for not demonstrating their outrage when you haven't done it yourself.

I am so seething about this that I'd get banned if I wrote what I thought. I can only do so much from here in the UK.

It's not just Alabama. I'm not even sure why that one's grabbing all the headlines since there are quite a few states that have jumped on that bandwagon. But they've been chipping away at abortion rights for several years in the USA (where I lived for 27 yrs until recently).
In some states where abortion is legal, there are no abortion clinics for 100s of miles, primarily because it's too dangerous for doctors and staff to work there.
But then again, we have Northern Ireland......

I've actually been talking about with all my pro life friends on Facebook, and I've posted on here about it, and I even had a chat about it in the work canteen.

Hope that engagement passes muster.

UndoingItAgain
"What's the fact that they're white got to do with it? You think black and asian republican men wouldn't have done this?"

Perhaps the fact that it disproportionately affects black women . They are around 13% of the female population but account for 49% of all abortions.

Do you know what, yes, maybe if the overwhelming number of male legislators in the US were black or asian they would have voted the same way to punish women. There's no reason to suppose otherwise given the state of the world where black and asian men are legislators.

But these are white men, and that's significant in a country that is still hugely hampered by racism, and the intersection of racism and misogyny creates a perfect storm of misery for the women who bear the brunt of this bullshit and who should be the focus of all campaigning on the issue.

It’s an absolute disgrace. Can any women affected by this cross state lines to get the help they need?