Sara Pascoe on The Guilty Feminist

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Sara Pascoe has drunk the Kool Aid. Her bit on the Guilty Feminist about how weird cis women are scared of trans women sharing a bathroom with other women.

Long bit about how amazing it is that there are so many sexes, not just a binary, and all of this on a podcast about women in science.

I can only dip into the podcast as discussed in a previous thread Deborah Frances-White enraged me with her TWAW themes.

The first part of the podcast is really good though, talking to two, award winning women in STEM.

guiltyfeminist.com/episode/?episode=189

'Drinking the kool-aid' is a shorthand that's understood by most people

Oddly, until I read on here about it referring to the Jonestown massacre, I'd assumed it referred to this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Kool-Aid_Acid_Test

The Acid Tests are parties where everyone takes LSD (which was often put into the Kool-Aid they served) and abandon the realities of the mundane world

Drinking Kool-Aid spiked with LSD and losing touch with reality seems like quite a good metaphor for what's going on now.

Seems I was right about the origins of the phrase, according to this wiki page:

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kool-Aid

A Kool-Aid drinker or True Believer is someone who has imbibed deeply enough of the One True Faith to have seriously damaged their mental faculties - often irreversibly. The term is originally derived from the beatniks' "acid tests," in which they would trick people into drinking LSD-spiked Kool-Aid

I'll stop derailing now. Never heard of Sara Pascoe, so have nothing to say about her.

I can certainly see why these feminists are guilty...

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid
www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/11/stop-saying-drink-the-kool-aid/264957/

We discussed this at uninaround 2005 about the connotations associated around the phrase and listened to interviews with survivors of the massacre and their feelings on it.

I agree OldCrone. The acid test explanation makes more sense to me than the Jonestown massacre explanation.

Not wanting to derail the thread, but I've thought about the kool-aid saying, whether it's fair to use, and I've come to the conclusion it is. If anything, it should e used more, to remind people how dangerous cults are. Vulnerable people were targeted, Jones was given legitimacy by politicians who used the movement as a way of signalling how virtuous they were - all the same factors that can be seen in woke movements now. There are good documentaries available, they're worth watching to see how a movement that looks OK on the surface can career out of control once narcissism is on the mix. Like the word 'gaslighting', which used to annoy me, I'll use the kool-aid saying still be ause of the depth-charge of meaning it carries.

So - back to the topic of feminism....

Sorry Out - not aimed at your comment which I agree with.

GeordieGenes you seem to have missed the part about feminism not being about men's feelings. 🤣

I agree with Out.

It was actually "Flavor Aid" in Jonestown. If a Jonestown survivor asked me not to use the phrase to them I would respect that. But it does signal how dangerously cult beliefs get out of all control.

I may be very naive - but I do hope or think - the more people who are not stupid - like Sarah Pascoe - Frankie Boyle - Richard Herring - Suzi Ruffalo ( I heard her call Linehan a C*nt) understand the facts and the issues they will have their eyes opened - most people on here have journeyed from lets be nice to a vulnerable minority - to a much more GC position - Just because you are a Minority - does not automatically make you right or beyond Criticism -

Sara's second biggest problem (apart from not being very funny) is that she's not very bright.

The girly laddete man pleasing is tiresome.

Call me cynical, but comedians who work regularly for the BBC tend prioritize male trans people over the needs of women and girls.

I saw Sara Pascoe recently as she was hosting a fundraising gig for our local womens refuge, and she also did a massive fucking bit about this. Cis women being all silly about wanting women only toilets. I thought it was massively inappropriate considering we are actually having refuges defunded and shut down because they want to be single sex, and it was inappropropriate for a womens refuge fundraiser.

It also got very few laughs when she joked about it.
In fact its the last two comedians in a row that ive seen that have done a skit about how silly women are for being worried about the issue. The last one was Nish Kumar. He also got very few laughs about it.
A few years ago, I think they would have had a much more poisitive reaction actually, but the tables have turned.

In fact its the last two comedians in a row that ive seen that have done a skit about how silly women are for being worried about the issue. The last one was Nish Kumar. He also got very few laughs about it.

Whenever I've heard comedians talk about it, it's rarely funny. Just preachy.

It is massively inappropriate. Makes you wonder if she just wanted to shove her "inclusive" views down other women's throats, including those who had been victims of male violence. given that men are probably less likely to attend fundraisers for women's refuges. She absolutely can fuck right off.

I like her, but she's always struck me as woker than woke, so not surprised. Most of the younger generations of TV comedians seem to live in a London media bubble.

Whenever I've heard comedians talk about it, it's rarely funny. Just preachy.

True. This new breed of observational comedians are the opposite of observant. They think they are championing something progressive and making fun of ignorant people. It would be amusing if it wasn't so tragic.

I may be very naive - but I do hope or think - the more people who are not stupid - like Sarah Pascoe - Frankie Boyle - Richard Herring - Suzi Ruffalo ( I heard her call Linehan a Cnt) understand the facts and the issues they will have their eyes opened*

Some of them maybe, but not Boyle. His comedy has always fuelled by hate.

In fact its the last two comedians in a row that ive seen that have done a skit about how silly women are for being worried about the issue. The last one was Nish Kumar. He also got very few laughs about it.

He gets very few laughs full stop. I saw him on a panel show recently and his punchline to every joke was that he’s from Croydon. He seems to think the audience are going to laugh out loud at the fact he’s from Croydon even though he’s not white. That’s his entire schtick. ‘I’m from Croooyyydeeeen!’

Well, in all honesty, how can you actually make women being uncomfortable with men in their toilets funny if the women are the butt of your joke? Bernard Bresslaw in a 60's nurse outfit being chased out of a female space is operating on assumptions about him being seen as a dodgy perv, not the women being stupid for objecting.

It'd be like some weird comedy set up where the comedian make a snide comment about women in developing countries being hysterical because they were wary around workers. A bad taste joke might make mention of that situation, but the target of the joke would be the aid workers, not the women.

Nish Kumar’s once spent the whole episode of either HIGNFY or MTW saying: “white peeeople!”. 🙄

Jo Brand and Katherine FmRyan are definitely GC and both give no fucks.

I LOVE Katherine Ryan. Now there is a funny comedian

She was so funny and spot on about running marathons for charity on room 101. Gerri Horner’s (?) face was priceless; she was so shocked
KR already got a stick on twatter for being a transphobe 🙄

So glad theres a thread on this. I just roll my eyes when tgf goes all woke. I genuinely enjoy the show although the shows that dfw is most proud of are the ones that I think are the most dull and unfunny. Theyre the ones with a transgender guest who is dull, not funny and a really bad radio voice.