Harry the Owl

[slycooperatemysocks]

Please can Harry be dropped from the Fair Cop campaign. Having an overt racist involved will just damage it. Thank you

THEN You should know how this place works, what is likely to make you seem a newbie,and what FWR and regulars are and are not capable of influencing

Andyoldlabour it seems like we are destined to agree on a whlle load of threads (I am booked to attend some of the later rounds of the football world cup so may well revive that thread - the England women's kit is great, forst tle they have had their own one.)

I am lucky enough to speak the language used in a Muslim country, so have a Muslim adoptive family who I stayed with when I did immersion. I was there recently for the sons wedding.

The spread of Wahabism has profoundly altered religious practice there. Bloody
Saudi money. (In many sesnse of yhe word.)

I am more than willing to praise and criIslam, or rather the way it is practiced in equal measure. Does that make me an Islamophobe? The day to day generousity of the family I lived with to those less fortunate was truly impressive. Yet women I know are campaigning to prevent the creep of Sharia in very much the same way as women her, and Harry, are fighting gender bollocks. Misogny is everywhere. I dont understand, but womens rights are threatened everywhere.

I also speak three Euopean languages aside from English and have lived in two other large European countries. I am European sceptical, though decided not to vote in the referendum. I dont think Junkers and pals have a vision beyond self interest. And am worried about the resurgance of the right in countries in the East.

This, according to my super woke Momentum friends, apparently makes me a racist. Even if they cant place Poland on a map.

Well bollocks, bollocks, bollocks. And go Harry go!

It's voices like yours on FWR that makes it such a great place to learn stuff Needmoresleep.

Harry isn't a racist and the 'I hate Muslims' post - as is clear from the context - was about what one can say with impunity and what one can't. I think he was making a fair point but, in any case, we can't know whether it reflects what he thinks today because it was posted a few years ago, when he had no idea he was going to be thrust into the limelight.

Had he known that someone with an axe to grind would go trawling through his timeline trying to find something to use against him, he would probably have been more careful, although I find it immensely saddening that we have to be so careful of what we say and how we phrase things because we can never be sure that whatever we might say won't be noted and used against us in the future.

Frankly, I'm sick to death of people who profess to be on the same side throwing each other under the bus. What exactly does it achieve apart from giving succour to our enemies? Harry is a friend to feminists fighting the cult and I, for one, appreciate that he is willing to put his head above the parapet and use his appalling treatment by the rozzers as a springboard for a sorely needed fightback.

By the way, slycooperatemysocks, you've mentioned looking through facebook but I'm not clear what we should be looking for?

"There is a history of threats...."

Too right.

But not from the Mummies.

"Too right.

But not from the Mummies."

No. From the men.

OP, with regard to the burka tweet, perhaps you should remember that the MP who today announced his campaign to become our next Prime Minister was paid £5000 by the Telegraph for an article in which he compared women wearing burkas to pillar-boxes. That article was seen by millions, whereas Harry's tweet reached a few hundred at most. Your outrage seems rather manufactured to me, I'm afraid.

13,439 nice things! And the most recent comments refer to Texas and Canada. Someone must have picked it up across the pond.

Just read a few more comments - Australia, America again, and Sargon sent me. Youtuber, right?

nauticant, you did better than me to read through my typos. In fairness it was a lovely sunny day and I had two hours to kill, so spent it drinking wine on a cafe terrace. Wine and posting...

My guess is that TRAs are very worried about UK feminists getting financial support from the American right. They will know that a majority in each country are sceptical about a human's ability to change sex. Elements of the American right have some pretty abhorrent views, but do have money. So far transgender policy in both countries has happened by stealth and without public debate, with TRAs have been quick to write off RedFems as the same small group meeting in different places.

Harry and Posie are different. They don't have the radfem background, but instead are trying to force public debate. If we get proper debate in the UK, including safeguarding, medical ethics, sport etc, we almost certainly won't end up with self-ID. Such a debate would then empower GC people in the US. Not just the right, but GC democrats, and those ordinary people who don't like to see girls lose access to athletic success, worry about their kids being pushed into a medical route, want single sex restrictions in refuges etc.

Harry's fundraiser seems to be taking off, with lots of new donations from men, some of whom clearly are not in the UK. TRAs have not objected to the generous pro-bono legal support available to the LGBT+ community. However prepare for some teeth gnashing now. We have long known that the the Stonewall and friends interpretation of the law used in their training and policy advice needed to be tested in court. This is a good opportunity. What happened to Harry should not have happened.
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Just gave Harry some nice things. Glad to see word is spreading, don't know who Sargon is but thank you. If other countries see a precedent set in the UK I imagine they will jump on it to try and regain sanity in their own countries.

Just gave Harry some nice things. Glad to see word is spreading, don't know who Sargon is but thank you. If other countries see a precedent set in the UK I imagine they will jump on it to try and regain sanity in their own countries.

Sargon is Carl Benjamin of the Jess Phillips rape joke fame.

I will give Harry some more nice things, am very proud if the UK, my country, will be the one to set the precedent in this pile of horse shit and stop any more of this ridiculousness taking hold.

We do indeed need some court cases for clarity.

I will give Harry some more nice things, am very proud if the UK, my country, will be the one to set the precedent in this pile of horse shit and stop any more of this ridiculousness taking hold.

We do indeed need some court cases for clarity.

Just googled. Sargon may not be very nice. I think this is him:

"Carl Benjamin is a British political commentator, anti-feminist, polemicist and YouTuber with the online pseudonym Sargon of Akkad. He is a UK Independence Party candidate for the European Parliament's South West England constituency in the 2019 election. Benjamin grew to prominence through the Gamergate controversy."

However a quick look at twitter suggests that there is some odd TRA politics/pile ons affecting Mark Meechan, another UKIP-per and You Tuber who produced a good and sympathetic interview with Rose of Dawn a few months back. Rose of Dawn does not seem happy.

Time to take a step back and just be glad that Harry is getting his money, and that the courts will be able to take a view.

(And to ponder about the younger generation. I really like Rose of Dawn and her willingness to say it as she sees it, albeit from the perspective of a transsexual, on the TG "debate". But don't really get the gamer stuff, nor the UKIP links with the YouTube friends, other than a party that promotes Lily M is unlikely to welcome Rose.)

There are very definitely loads of people supporting free speech, rather than Feminism. People who even disagree with feminism (and therefore with a lot of what Harry says, but defend his right to say it.)

I can only see Sargon mentioned once? It could be anyone. People donate in others' names to make a point.

Datun, you could be right. There seems to be a very confusing row/pile on going on, which is making Rose of Dawn quite cross. Perfectly possible this is some sort of attempt to divide and rule. Perhaps even our OP?!

Strange days. As pp have said, ultimately this is all about letting the courts decide.

Yes **datun, look how many mentions LM has got on Maya's nice things 😂😂😂

People donate in protest against as well as in support of. Free speech is important to a much wider demographic than feminism so will attract support from all sorts of people. We can't start saying one persons free speech is ok and another's is wrong or it becomes a bit of a joke.

Was talking to dh this morning about realising that there's no point being tribal, when my tribe (Labour) has thrown me under the bus. So time to accept I can work with people when we only agree on one thing.

He was quite amused and reminded me we'd had a similar conversation about ten years ago when I'd pretty much ripped him a new one for suggesting the same thing.

Have apologised retrospectively for being a smug self righteous cow

We can't start saying one persons free speech is ok and another's is wrong or it becomes a bit of a joke.

Exactly. And people who are saying that, like the OP, are therefore not in favour of free speech.

And despite the proliferation of the hashtag NoDebate, few people actually admit out loud that they're not in favour of free speech when challenged.

Which is why, to me, this campaign is so important. Irrespective of the personal views of the people involved (not that I am of a mind to diss Harry over those tweets - someone's trying to smear him, which is something far more reprehensible).

I'm pleased to see people not taking the OP seriously. People who pop up demanding that we start infighting to preserve our ideological purity make me very tired.

You would think, wouldn't you, that if you disagreed with someone, it would be quicker to draw up some cogent arguments than to trawl through Twitter feeds from way back when.

well it reminded me to go to the faircop.org website yesterday and have a look around.

that got me to the crowd justice page, where I made a donation.

this is so, so important. what's next? a visit from the police because you support scottish independence? Or campaign peacefully for the closure of lap dancing clubs? when the police are trying to police what people think, it really could be anyone next.