Harry the Owl

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Please can Harry be dropped from the Fair Cop campaign. Having an overt racist involved will just damage it. Thank you

littl
Well said 💪💪

Hi OP.

Thanks for dropping by, we will add it to the list when we are at our next management meeting.

Anything else whilst we are at it? Foot massage? Back rub? Blow Job?

For all the people crying for grey rock, Harry is edging up to the half-way mark on his fundraiser with 25 days to go. Thank you to OP for reminding us that he needs our support.

This is clearly worrying some, including perhaps those who up-to-now have been in the privileged position of being paid to train the police. PC Gul said what he said, because that is what he was taught was correct.

Harry wont be everyone's cup of tea. He certainly is not steeped in a history of RadFem. But he does a good stab at being the ordinary man in the street, and standing up and calling time on this nonsense.

If he is able to go ahead and essentially get a court to look at his, rather extraordinary, treatment - and ideally shine a light on the reasons behind it. (Those Stonewall tentacles perhaps.)

Pledges apparently don't get taken unless he reaches his target, so you know what you are contributing towards. Details are on his Twitter.

Oddly I think OP should be supporting this. I believe a good proportion of votes for people like Trump or Farage are protest votes. Some might be people on here, unwilling to vote Tory, Labour, Green or LibDem but wanting to tell our politicians we have had enough. Equally for every PC Gul who swallows his diversity training hook line and sinker, there will probably be dozen who sat through the session with a fair degree of cognitive dissonance, but unable to speak out or challenge for fear of losing their jobs. They too may choose to vote against the current political establishment. Free speech and the ability to question, is a cornerstone of the democratic process. Suggesting Harry is silenced simply because they disagree with him is crazy.

Lobbying organisations should not be providing training within the public sector, end of. There is too much conflict of interest. Nor should they be drafting policy.

Lets shine a light on this mess.

Great post needmoresleep reminded me I need to bung a bit more in in my mums name. Thank you.

Harry wont be everyone's cup of tea. He certainly is not steeped in a history of RadFem. But he does a good stab at being the ordinary man in the street, and standing up and calling time on this nonsense.

Indeed. I know this is not about her, but I feel the same way about Posie actually. Yes I disagree with her on a fair bit, but she is not really coming at this from a rad few perspective, shes all about free speech and her blunt way reaches people feminists and academics just..wouldn't. This is why TRAs keep trying to get people to publically denounce her, and it looks to be going the way with Harry, so he is clearly being very sucessful at waking up the 'ordinary person'. Once you are fully in the TRA crosshairs, you know you are making a difference, is how I look at it these days.

So yeah, keep sending people to Harry,. sending people to see the horrific hate. All its doing, is, as usual, sending people who would generally stay out of this, to someone who speaks sense on 'gender issues' in such a blunt way its hard to NOT understand the issues.

See also Caroline Farrow, a conservative Catholic with views to match on various issues.

Voltaire and all that.*

(Actually Evelyn Beatrice Hall who summarised Voltaire's views as: I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it.)

Lobbying organisations should not be providing training within the public sector, end of. There is too much conflict of interest. Nor should they be drafting policy.

This is s very important point. God knows how it's been allowed to happen.

I tend to agree with the OP. Just because he's GC doesn't mean we can wave a hand vaguely and excuse racism.

As to anyone thinking in October 2013 when at least one pro-Tommy tweet went out - between the arrest and the trial of the Lee Rigby murderers - that Tommy Robinson had renounced racism, that's just provably wrong.

I will be really pissed off if men are using GC feminism as a front for wanting free speech for racists. I don't want them silenced but I don't want to see them held up as pro-feminist icons either. I won't be supporting Fair Cop until I see something a bit more impressive than "oh it was a long time ago and I used to talk bollocks." That's right up there with "it was banter."

Peter Tatchell doesn't get off the hook for comments he has made in the past, so why should Harry the Owl get a free pass for saying he hates Muslims? Its fair enough to take people at face value and in good faith. But racism isn't something I can just ignore.

I believe a good proportion of votes for people like Trump or Farage are protest votes.
Yes look how well protest votes for the Tories, Trump and Brexit have ended.

No one is excusing racism. They are supporting a campaign for free speech. You can't do that, whilst saying the campaigner is discredited because he shouldn't have said something. You can disagree with what he said once he's cemented the right to say it.

When I last looked the Tories" were a long established mainstream political party. Hardly the recipients of "protest votes".

MN can be a strong place at times.

Who needs free speech when all you have to do is follow a Guardian/Momentum orthodoxy.

Lobbying organisations should not be providing training within the public sector, end of. There is too much conflict of interest. Nor should they be drafting policy.
This is s very important point. God knows how it's been allowed to happen.

I agree that this is very important, but I think it may require some change in thinking on the left, by which I mea the real left as well as the woke. It's become pretty well accepted that these are the groups that need to be consulted, that speak for their constituencies, that are the experts. Now, some of them seem obviously more political, and that would include groups that say they speak for women. But others are group, for example, that speak for people with chronic illnesses, or other things that seem very neutral.

I think it's going to require a reassessment of how we, in the groups that we belong to, use our lobby organisations as well.

It's not a bad thing to be critical of claims of racism in any case - there is a reason supporters of structural inequality are so happy to talk about it.

But even where it is a valid claim, claims of racism has become one of the most effective tools to shut down discussions someone doesn't want to be having.

Goosefoot

"But others are group, for example, that speak for people with chronic illnesses, or other things that seem very neutral."

I suspect that the charity sector and their relationships with Government needs reviewing.

People like AGE UK seem to have metamorphosed from charities helping older people via volunteers delivering practical help in the community, to big lobbying organisations employing expensive managers. The National Trust is accused of the same. Even the RNLI. With career charity professionals jumping from one to the older, with retirement at an Oxford college or in the House of Lords.

A new establishment.

Anyone on Twitter? Someone has threaded Harry's tweets from the HoL meeting yesterday, can someone unroll the thread please?

twitter.com/BraveNewEden/status/1128992092783632385

Hmm. I am guessing Harry is worrying TRAs

That's probably because they see him and his campaign having a reasonable chance to get this issue into the awareness of the general public. Many TRAs realise that if this happens before their hoped for societal and legal changes then it's likely game over for the ideology. It needs to get rooted before people understand what it is.

Peter Tatchell doesn't get off the hook for comments he has made in the past

Because his position is the same today. He hasn’t changed his mind and his comments previously, and currently, are far more disturbing than anything Harry has tweeted.

"so why should Harry the Owl get a free pass for saying he hates Muslims? Its fair enough to take people at face value and in good faith. But racism isn't something I can just ignore."

It isn't racism it is Islamophobia.

My wife and the better half of my family are Muslims, and I love them, but it still doesn't stop me being hypercritical about some aspects of Islam, which would certainly have SOME Muslims accusing me of Islamophobia.

Well, gosh. Noted TRAs Stephanie Hayden and CursedE must be feeling very conflicted about Harry and Fair Cop...

TBH, if Peter Tatchell was questioned by police for saying something offensive, I would still support his right to say it, even though I despise the man.

Same, Royal.

It is worth pointing out - Harry the Owl did not say he hates Muslims - he made the point it is currently acceptable in many Woke circles to state - I hate Tories - but not acceptable to say I hate Muslims - Tory is a political belief - Muslim is a religious belief - No Tory currently want to execute or punish gay people - Quite a lots of Muslim countries do /. Just for the record I think anyone who announces they hate any group or type of person - Immediately marks themselves as an idiot - and I hate idiots (joke)

I suspect that the charity sector and their relationships with Government needs reviewing.

Yes, I think so. It's been really corporatised. The same kind of explosion of management you see in all other sectors. I think that is usually bad for everyone.

It's tricky though, when you think more in terms of a grassroots community group, or say, a union. Because they are important in terms of making sure that other large powerful entities - like developers or corporate employers - don't have more influence then they should.

Well well well. Interesting that the TRA's are doing an archaeological dig on Harry, but seems they're just ignoring their golden children.

Actually not interesting, just highly predictable. Hope Joss is taking note

I am posting under a new name/anon because there is a history of threats. Again, I am not a TRA.