Stephen Fry backs P Tatchell's call to revise sex education

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www.petertatchellfoundation.org/stephen-fry-backs-our-call-to-revise-sex-education/
I think this sounds reasonable but still some niggling suspicion. IF the quality and calibre of the training and trainers were beyond reproach, if there was a broad consultation beyond just LBGT I might accept it.
I'm pleased to see they acknowledge asexual. What do you think?

Are people forgetting that Peter Tatchell claims to have friends who had sexual relations with adults at the age of nine and were fine with it?

Why would anyone let this person anywhere near sex ed?

“restricted rights of parents to withdraw their children” ?

Lolz.

It comes to something when not even his most aggressive MRA mates want to go anywhere near this one.

PT is hiding in plain sight.

Two childless men with weird views about sex, one of whom has stated that 9 year olds can have joyful sex with adults. Wouldn't want either of them within a fucking mile of my kids thanks.

Chris Woodhead would never have tolerated this.

(Oh, hang on....)

One reason for starting at a young age is that many children now begin puberty between the ages of eight and 12. Long beforehand, they need to know about the physical and hormonal changes they will undergo and the feelings and desires they will develop. Keeping them ignorant threatens their happiness and welfare.
Children of all genders should share RSE lessons and not be segregated, to enable them to learn about each other’s bodies from the start, including boys learning about periods and girls learning about wet dreams

This seriously misguided and creepy stuff - that can only have been penned by someone who has no experience of teaching and no children of their own.

Most children experience pleasurable physical sensations and feelings when young. This is normal. But it is not appropriate to name and guide these nascent feelings at such a young age. I suspect that Peter Tatchell's own sexual history and experience is shaping his narrative here.

Good sex can't be taught in a classroom, in the way that you might learn how to fix an engine. Good sex emanates from people with good heart and good intention, and people who have been damaged or abused in childhood, or at any stage in their lives, will carry over that damage into every area of their life, including their sex life. Sex is just one expression of the relationship between people.

I saw a doc with a Danish teacher running a class in the UK. She was great encouraged openness and challenged the boys in a very frank session

The more I read and hear of the experiences of Danish women, the less I see Denmark as the great bastion of progressiveness that it is made out to be.

*Ros Coward (Why Dares to Speak says nothing useful June 23) thinks it is "shocking" that Gay Men's Press has published a book. Dares to Speak, which challenges the assumption that all sex involving children and adults is abusive. I think it is courageous.
The distinguished psychologists and anthropologists cited in this book deserve to be heard. Offering a rational and informed perspective on sexual relations between younger and older people, they document examples of societies where consenting inter-generational sex is considered normal, beneficial and enjoyable by old and young alike.

Prof Gilbert Herdt points to the Samba Tribe of Papua New Guinea where all young boys have sex with older warriors as part of their initiation into manhood. Far from being harmed. Prof Herdt says the boys grow up to be happy well-adjusted husbands and fathers.

The positive nature of some child adult sexual relationships is not confined to non-western cultures. Several of my friends male and female had sex with adults from the ages of 9-13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy.

While it may be impossible to condone paedophilia, it is time society acknowledged the truth that not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive an harmful
Peter Tachell
Rockinham Street
London*

This is what PT wrote in 1997. The bit about the Samba Tribe is striking similar to what 2 well known Drs said on Twitter One of them being a regular on TV with a name which is also a religion, the other a bit known in some circles as Dr Haddock

Vicky Earle if you have a screen shoot of the quote from Tatchel it would be great to see that up on that twitter thread.
With everything I’ve read online especially on this forum I have had sex an relationship chats with my lot and it’s a topic that’s now on the table any time. It’s not embarrassing and I don’t have to worry about anything untoward being pushed onto them as normal. BUT. They are in full time education. One will be going to secondary. I’m only half the story. I think parents should absolutely be able to opt out of these lessons for their children. Not all schools are going to be opting for level headed sensible sex Ed. It’s very very worrying.

Janie143-“While it may be impossible to condone paedophilia, it is time society acknowledged the truth that not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive an harmful”

This guy is just hiding in plain view.WTF.

I taught dc about the facts of life when asked but I'm already uneasy with the level of detail gone into at dc high school, and the fact that they have mixed sex ed lessons.
My kid has come home and asked me about sexual practices he has heard about in the school yard, but also things learned in class
We discuss porn( I'm very clear on the ethical aspects and don't act like it's a given that boys watch porn, which seems to be the accepted norm)
We discuss respect, safe sex, emotional boundaries, peer pressure.
And yes, I have answered questions like "what is a blow job?".
I'm very honest but AGE APPROPRIATE and couch everything in "some people" and "there are no expectations in sex-only what is ok with you" etc.
It's a myth that all teen boys are porn addicted and gross. Some maybe, but a lot of young lads are actually quite freaked out by porn, and just as romantic as girls, thinking as much about their first kiss as anything graphic.
I wouldn't want either of these creepy bastards grooming my kid with their "sex education " lessons. It's not the job of adults to tell kids how to have sex.
Stephen Fry writes about his sex experiences at school in quite a shocking way. As for Peter Tatchell, he's on record with his disturbing thoughts on children and sex.
Frankly they shouldn't be anywhere near this subject.

..a regular on TV with a name which is also a religion..

Terry Christian?

(I've really gone off Stephen Fry now.)

it would be great to see that up on that twitter thread
Someones posted it there
I saw it earlier this morning.

HorsewithnoPhD
It's Dr Christian Jenssen.

What would they like to do - force an uncomfortable child to have wanking lessons? If they ask to leave, are these "specially trained adults" going to refuse? Creepy.

HorsewithnoPhD. Replace Terry with Doctor

O don't understand this at all. Surely good sex / masturbation is something you learn on the job so to speak.

Explicit details is not needed in school lessons - what is needed is far more about the importance of consent and mutual enjoyment

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Exactly, it’s a bit like learning to drive, you learn how to do it safely, the law, to be a courtesous road user etc. But you don’t truly learn to drive until you’re out there doing it on your own.

2 late middle aged, childfree, homosexual men, one of whom doesn't seem to have even maintained a relationship and neither of whom has any qualifications in paediatrics, sociology, psychology, biology, medicine or teaching. Would not be my first go to for advice.

The more I read and hear of the experiences of Danish women, the less I see Denmark as the great bastion of progressiveness that it is made out to be

Denmark was one of the last countries in Europe to make bestiality illegal and that was only in the last couple of years.

WTAF!!

Peter T wants to teach your children that they have:

a fundamental human right to love an adult person of any gender, to engage in any mutually consensual, harmless sexual act with them and to share a happy, healthy sex life.

Is there any possibility of the Education Minister taking this “proposal” seriously - does anyone know?

This supposed training programme has obviously been put together by people who have no knowledge of safeguarding, the current PSHE curriculum or what children actually need wrt sex ed.

This is a programme that barely touches on relationships - it prioritises sexual technique over teaching about coercive control.

It aims to glamorise oral sex and mutual masturbation for kids 16+ in a sex positive environment, and suggest that this would mean that girls didn't need to take the pill any more. Because - encouraging kids to have oral sex & heavy petting won't lead to PIV and teen pregnancy - oh no, how could that possibly happen?

There are a lot of self-identified experts on what curriculum should be taught to children about sex and relationships in the classroom.

This is what worries me - not the teaching, but who gets to decide what is taught and how. Once this becomes compulsory it needs constant sunlight and oversight (who by? )

There does need to be much more about actual relationships and how to negotiate them in all aspects of life ie friendships, work etc, and how to look after yourself.

The more I think about this the more uneasy I am. Adults with a significant public profile (and no qualifications) feel able to demand that children must be compelled to undergo compulsory talks about sex. Children of all ages will be forced to undergo these sessions regardless of their personal wishes, any SEN, history of abuse, mental health concerns, religious / cultural issues.

Where has this arrogance come from? Why would they feel it is appropriate to ride roughshod over decades of expertise in how you teach sensitive subjects to children?

It's because we are living in a world where men are increasingly able to remove women and children's rights. Where porn blights children's lives and where governments are so fearful of aggressive self interest lobbies that they back away and allow these groups to deliberately target children - with demands like this.