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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stephen Fry backs P Tatchell's call to revise sex education

218 replies

Imnobody4 · 10/05/2019 18:22

www.petertatchellfoundation.org/stephen-fry-backs-our-call-to-revise-sex-education/
I think this sounds reasonable but still some niggling suspicion. IF the quality and calibre of the training and trainers were beyond reproach, if there was a broad consultation beyond just LBGT I might accept it.
I'm pleased to see they acknowledge asexual. What do you think?

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FloralBunting · 10/05/2019 22:33

"Are you out of your fucking mind?"

This is so my internal monologue most of the time atm.

pinkboa · 10/05/2019 22:41

Stephen Fry is creepy... that's all.

LangCleg · 10/05/2019 22:47

Peter Tatchell should be kept well away from a) children and b) anything pertaining to children. The same, it would appear, should go for Stephen Fry.

LangCleg · 10/05/2019 22:49

It's the complete lack of boundaries - the assumption that it is a school's place to teach children about sexual pleasure in Tatchell's compulsory mixed sex groups.

That's queering the curriculum for you. These people think childhood is a social construct, all our knowledge of child development is bunkum (conveniently) and we're all sexual beings from the day we were born.

The absolute last people who should be anywhere near schools.

JuniFora · 10/05/2019 22:55

Sex education is extremely important and few would oppose that. The Danish and Icelandics do it very well and we should follow them. They're open, honest, pro women and pro children.

However, there's a world of difference between education and indoctrination.

Their insistence that parents should have no say on what their children are taught is typical of people who are trying to force a sinister agenda. It's nothing to do with the child's rights or education, it's about separating the child from their parents protection so they can be groomed and manipulated by abusers who want to force their issues on them.

There are groups with a long term goal to get rid of the age of consent by giving the children "sexual rights". This is why they're heavily promoting the transing of very young children who don't fit gender stereotypes. It's ultimately to take power of protection from the parents by threatening to take their kids if they don't participate in the manipulation of their child, threatening to take the careers of teachers and doctors who dare stand up to it, to make everybody scared to speak out because they'll be destroyed as a "hateful person"...

When everybody's silenced, they own your kids. Then they can say, if a fourteen year old can have a sex change, they can have sex... When they get that reduced, they'll say "but eight year old can change sex, why can't they have it?". There's an agenda. We can all feel it being pushed but it's a bait and switch.

I wouldn't let Tatchell or any of his associates near my kid, let alone provide a forced "sex" talk. What he has admitted in public about his opinion that young children aren't harmed and may even enjoy sexual abuse by adults, is disturbing. That says everything about him and the company he keeps.

The new buzz word in five/ten years will be peadophobe... You don't let me near your kid, you peadophobe. It sounds crazy now but unless this agenda is stopped, it's coming.

greenlloon · 10/05/2019 23:05

i think stephen fry once stole a credit card and is a criminal and a a sanctimonious creep

Endofthedays · 10/05/2019 23:10

The bit about having to pick your child up and then bring them back at the end of the lesson if you want to opt out.

Have they any idea how secondary schools actually work?

truthisarevolutionaryact · 10/05/2019 23:12

There was a time when I would have thought that what JuniFora said was paranoid. But no longer.
Sexualising the youngest of children (think Desmond), removing safeguarding from vulnerable groups, encouraging teachers and other adults to transition children in secret, removing parental responsibility / rights, undermining children's boundaries and rights to say no, Tatchell's demands about sex education in schools and so on. All happening in plain sight

LizzieSiddal · 10/05/2019 23:16

What makes PT or SF think they have any say in how children should learn about sex? Do they have any relevant experience or qualification in child education/ sex education?

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 10/05/2019 23:19

Lizzie

Do they have qualifications? No.

Do they have experience? In the words of semi-legal eagle doorstopper Hayden, PT has "no current convictions" pertaining to any experience with child sexuality.

littlbrowndog · 10/05/2019 23:22

Yes junafora. Exactly what tatchell and people like him want

After all he thinks that some children enjoy sex

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 10/05/2019 23:23

Merry I was shocked by that idea.
The most effective way to persuade teenagers to switch to these alternatives is by making them look and sound appealing, glamorous and sexy; explaining that they can be sexually fulfilling and emphasising their advantages over intercourse: no worries about unwanted conceptions, reduced HIV risk and no need to use the pill or condoms.

JuniFora · 10/05/2019 23:26

truthisarevolutionaryact; I'm with you. A few years ago I never would have imagined that we could have ended up here and would have dismissed those who made claims to such as crazy. But we only have to look at the facts...

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 10/05/2019 23:26

This is in the lesson plan for 16 and older. No need for the pill or condoms, when masturbating or with oral sex. Does he know how the pill works? What happens if two 16 year olds have oral sex one day and next decide to have PIV sex that it's fine, just take the pill and your protected.

littlbrowndog · 10/05/2019 23:26

But did see twitter thread where tatchell the parent of no one thinking this sexing of our kids is great idea

Ffs.

Is there some sort of conspiracy going on ?

Am not bonkers but seems like all this attention of blurring boundaries and sexualising of kids is very very weird

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 10/05/2019 23:30

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littlbrowndog · 10/05/2019 23:33

Yes he wrote a letter to,times about how some children were not affected by having sex at an early age

Think it was in hold on going to look on twitter

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 10/05/2019 23:36

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littlbrowndog · 10/05/2019 23:40

Oh yeah
Tatchell said that some of his friends had sex with children from age 9- 13 and it was joyful

And it was time that society recognised that paedophilia was wrong but not all sex with children involving children was wrong and unwelcome

SirVixofVixHall · 10/05/2019 23:41

Very loud alarm bells ringing.
I am getting to the point where I don’t trust anyone to talk to my dds about sex and relationships .( Also the horror of teachers talking about this stuff...grim) .I simply don’t trust the ever changing agenda.

(No sex ed in my school, for which we were all truly thankful! )
There is an assumption that sixteen year olds will all be sexually active. I didn’t start my periods until I was sixteen, I was still in puberty then, physically and emotionally not fully grown at all. The vast majority of my friends didn’t have sex until university, a few of us, me included, were in our twenties. I feel we are shoving adult relationships onto children these days. No-one wants a situation where girls don’t know about periods , where biology is a total mystery, but this is so open to abuse, so tricky a line to tread.
I feel very uncomfortable that two gay men, one of whom doesn’t think sex between an adult male and a nine year old is always a bad thing, are trying to have an impact on what my young daughters are told about sex and relationships . They know nothing of girls, and of the difficulties of the teenage years for girls. They have never been pregant. My teenage years were marked by enormous pressure from adult men to have sex I wasn’t in any way ready to have. The more girls are made to feel that everyone is having sex, that sex while you are still a schoolgirl is what everyone does, the less they will feel they can resist that pressure. You don’t have to be asexual to not want a sexual relationship. Teaching boys about coercion and not pressuring girls would be helpful perhaps.
Some young people will be emotionally ready for a sexual relationship at sixteen, but many, i think even perhaps most, are not.
What I want for my daughters is the space to grow into adulthood, free from pressure to make choices they are not ready for.

littlbrowndog · 10/05/2019 23:43

Jeez my typos sorry

Anyway his letter to,the times defending sex with children is freely available on many sites

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 10/05/2019 23:46

Just reported my own posts for mis- information, but I was correct in what I said about P. T being friends with a member of P. I. E.
Here's the old thread about P. T.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3419058-Peter-Tatchell-excusing-sex-with-kids

FreeFreesia · 11/05/2019 00:02

Point 15 teach 16+ everything including about practices some people will find distasteful. Can we not leave them in ignorance of kink? Those that have an interest will find their way & some will still be virgins.

Endofthedays · 11/05/2019 00:08

Why are over sixteens even having sex education?

Many are no longer even at school.

thelastgoldeneagle · 11/05/2019 00:09

I found this thread earlier and there were loads of replies on Twitter. Looked again now and there were only a few. Have some been deleted?