Paddy Jackson hired for London Irish Rugby.

[StrippingTheVelvet]

After a year with his tail between his legs, Paddy has now been hired by LIRFC. I have attached the list of their sponsors below if anyone has time to send an email or two asking them to put pressure on for the decision to be reconsidered. I'm very articulate, but if it makes it easier feel free to use my letter.

"Good afternoon

I was hoping you could clarify your position on whether Pump Technology expects a certain standard of behaviour from both the organisations they sponsor and those associated with them? I am disturbed to hear about the recent appointment of Paddy Jackson to LIRFC. As you financially support LIRFC one can only assume that you endorse their decisions.

Given the level of public prominence players have and that they are viewed as role models for our young men to aspire to, do you feel this appointment is appropriate and are you happy to be associated with and financially support this decision?

I would urge you to please discuss this with LIRFC in the same way as Ulster Rugby's sponsors did to ensure there was no negative impact on their businesses.

Kindest regards,"

for the record, I am a woman. Doubtless, longer than you have been one, ha !
And, I bet I know a lot more about that trial, and context, than you do, because I don't do 'glib'.
BTW, the dinner ladies used to warn, now, don't make those funny faces, as if the wind changes your face might just stay that way.

Sorry Aunt Lydia, but just cos you’re a woman, doesn’t mean you get away with being a rape apologist.

You certainly don’t sound very mature... ‘ I bet I know more about it than you do’ is really rather silly given the extent of evidence that millions of people have now seen.... except of course, all the videos, photos and texts that the disgusting ulster rugby players deleted before the police got their phones.

SadlyDolores

I think you have trouble with understanding meanings of words. It’s not ageist to observe you lack maturity in your writing. If you do happen to be older than you sound, then it’s just more embarrassing I guess for you that you come across as a teenage boy.

The case was one of the most talked-about, most dissected cases in recent times. The messages are available online- the bits they didn’t delete. Even the fact messages weren’t retrieved is suspicious. No, I have no respect for a system designed to protect men, which lets off the majority of suspects in rape cases. It doesn’t matter what the sex of the judge is, in a system poorly equipped to deal with sexual assault. Certainly a male majority jury of ordinary people, who exist in a society rife with rape culture and male entitlement, is a poor way of achieving justice for victims of sexual assault.

At 9:13am, a WhatsApp message was sent from Jackson to Olding, the content of which is unavailable, then a call from Jackson to Olding which is missed, as is a FaceTime from Jackson to Olding, and again a voice call from Jackson to Olding which is missed at 9:15am.

At 12:15pm, the complainant responds to Harrison about the music he was going to send her, to ask what song it was, and then says, “To be honest no, I know you must be mates with those guys but I don't like them and what happened was not consensual which is why I was so upset. Again, thank you for taking me home. That was really appreciated.”
Rory Harrison replies five minutes later to say, “Jesus” and then, “I’m not sure what to say."
There is then a series of exchanges between Harrison and McIIroy which were subsequently deleted

JW
Have you made an honest mistake; or are you a blatant liar?
This is the transcript :

"9.14am - 9.15am Call from Jackson to Olding is unanswered. FaceTime from Jackson to Olding is unanswered. A voice call from Jackson to Olding is unanswered."

Jessica
"There is then a series of exchanges between Harrison and McIIroy which were subsequently deleted"

So, what has this to do with Paddy Jackson???
He left ONE message on the Whatsapp group.

Irish Times: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/paddy-jackson-s-lawyer-explains-courtroom-tactics-in-belfast-rape-trial-1.3709590%3fmode=amp

Meanwhile, the ordeal that the young woman had to endure is made plain, not least being interrogated about her bodily functions in front of a public gallery. Despite what must have been a crushing verdict for her, the unnamed woman comes across as resilient and determined not be beaten by her experiences in her testimony. “He was not taking ‘no’ for an answer,” is not a quote that is easily forgotten. As the narrators make clear, the case highlights how the daunting legal system can be a barrier to women making complaints about sexual violence.

But if the documentary is tough going emotionally, it’s also a gripping, deftly made piece of public service radio. It suggests that when it comes to sexual assault survivors being well served by due process, the jury is still out.

He left ONE message on the Whatsapp group.

AND DELETED OTHERS.

WhatsApp message was sent from Jackson to Olding, the content of which is unavailable

The fact they deleted certain messages should alarm you. That it doesn’t, speaks volumes. What was on the messages they deleted?

Jessica
So, following your conspiracy, why did he leave the Spit Roast message, or any at all ?

By the way, Jackson, Olding and the 3rd girl (Emily D? who had slept off her drink all night on L-shaped settee with Olding ) sat together early, to watch Game of Thrones.
Got to go out, now, but I will get you this relevant info later...., as the 4th girl phoning Emily (?) asked a significant question ?

@SadlyDolores
So if it is legally (and even developmentally) correct to describe a 23/24 year old male as a man why not just do it? I can't follow why you're saying it is but that for regional reasons you can't just write man but would need to write young man which is too cumbersome. But at the same time you then say you wouldn't use "boy" to describe the said same man. So I'm confused. Let's just call them men. Since that's what they are. And it is nice and short and requires no punctuation or qualifier.
I've no idea why you want do discuss the regional niceties of the term slut. Or why you believe you can make conclusions about the jury's conclusion about the term.
And no I don't see the term rugby groupie in those terms. I see it as meaning a rugby fan who is incapable of seeing any wrong in the behaviour of their rugby heroes. Blind hero worship. But you've stated that's not you and you have no interest in rugby so I'll take you at your word. Though I will continue to wonder at your interest in the case and your interpretation of it.

Jessica
The Report you refer to, is actually already published
FYI See Part 2
gillenreview.org/sites/gillenreview/files/media-files/Gillen%20Report%20-%20Part%202_0.pdf

Afternoon, everyone. We know this case understandably causes heated debate but we think it's probably not helpful to anyone at this stage to dissect the details of the whole court case again and might well be an upsetting read for victims of rape and sexual assault.

Could we get the thread back to focusing on the original discussion about the hiring of Paddy Jackson by London Irish and views on that?

Thanks!

There's something quite calculated about one season in France and then "back to normal".
Regardless of the court decision. OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder but he wasn't given sponsorship deals after the trial. His brand was toxic.
Companies seem to assume everyone has a short memory.
I suggest London Irish approach some other firms for sponsorship. How about Union Carbide? That was ages ago, nobody will mind, right?

www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/london-irish-leave-paddy-jackson-out-for-munster-trip-1.4014610?mode=amp

I am looking forward to seeing Paddy Jackson play for LI.

Phew...interesting, how life-long punishment appeals to the self righteous lynch mob. . .... And, why do contributors have such little respect for the seriousness with which the Belfast Jury took their decision(s)....Racism ?... Superficiality ? Have they ever actually been on a jury ? Or are they unthinkingly following a series of crude myths.?

Professor Cheryl Thomas QC of UCL, is just about to publish her current jury research examining, among other things, as to whether jurors believe myths and stereotypes in rape cases. During the summer, I heard her on R4 describing her findings, that when jurors are appointed and involved in a trial, they start to think in a more nuanced way and take the responsibilities very seriously. And she draws the comparison, that this is not like people phoned by a polling company for a quick knee-jerk reply, on their attitudes.

Did you watch the Gloucester v London Irish match today Dolores ?

I'd not heard of any planned protests in England so assume they put their expensive acquisition Jackson into play.

Paddy Jackson’s appalling, dehumanising and violent attack on that wonderful, clever young woman should never be forgotten.
He laughed about it afterwards. His behaviour was monstrous and he has not shown remorse. He is a dangerous predator.

He should be given any platform anywhere as a role model. His behaviour should be highlighted to every organisation that has the incredibly poor judgement to ever take him on.