Paddy Jackson hired for London Irish Rugby.

[StrippingTheVelvet]

After a year with his tail between his legs, Paddy has now been hired by LIRFC. I have attached the list of their sponsors below if anyone has time to send an email or two asking them to put pressure on for the decision to be reconsidered. I'm very articulate, but if it makes it easier feel free to use my letter.

"Good afternoon

I was hoping you could clarify your position on whether Pump Technology expects a certain standard of behaviour from both the organisations they sponsor and those associated with them? I am disturbed to hear about the recent appointment of Paddy Jackson to LIRFC. As you financially support LIRFC one can only assume that you endorse their decisions.

Given the level of public prominence players have and that they are viewed as role models for our young men to aspire to, do you feel this appointment is appropriate and are you happy to be associated with and financially support this decision?

I would urge you to please discuss this with LIRFC in the same way as Ulster Rugby's sponsors did to ensure there was no negative impact on their businesses.

Kindest regards,"

Just discussing Guinness cancelling their membership with dh who also can't believe London Irish signed PJ.

I'm going to buy a pint of Guinness tomorrow when I'm out for lunch to celebrate a good decision!

when the forensics disproved her claim?

It is not possible for forensics to "disprove" rape FFS. This comment alone displays your ignorance.

Do you think it's normal for a 1cm tear to occur during consentual sex, and if so do you think the woman would want to continue through the pain?

Yet again you refuse to explain why there's one one "acceptable" way for a woman to behave while being raped.

You have a clear agenda and are not interested in engaging in a discussion, so I'm not going to bother anymore.

S7
fyi...the forensics did not back up the complainant's initial CLAIM of penile intercourse, by 2 different boys. (Why was this accused by her.?) And this was denied by the boys, indeed Paddy Jackson admitted he was too drunk to get an erection. He used his fingers.
The complainant never referred to 'pain'. She did admit she was conscious enough to be worried she could get photographed by the Witness for social media, so moved her head. Proving, I am sure there is no one way, for a person to behave in these situations.

Why do you continue to refer to them as “boys”?

so, just how long do you want to punish a very drunk 23 yrs old 'man' for their whatsapp messages amongst 20 year old friends.??

why is he a 'man' (rather than a man)? or indeed a boy as you've previously referred to him?

There's no debate to be had around whether 23 is sufficiently grown up to warrant being called a man. Attempting to infantilise him doesn't make his behaviour anymore acceptable. TBH that's pretty sad as an attempt to justify his behaviour. And insulting to men of his age (and younger) who behave like reasonable human beings.

3 times
you haven't answered the question, as regards what is social justice ? How long should the punishment last?

The 'man's' whole career and life ??
And, why do you dismiss all the decision-making, done by a court with Female Judge, Female Head of Jury, the Jury. Were you there ?
Do you know 'better' ?

It should last his whole life- this isn't even so much about the events of the evening in question. There was a trial and he was found not guilty. However Mr Jackson never denied he sent the messages that were quoted in the trial. His attitude towards women and sense of entitlement were laid bare for everyone to see. He never apologised for any of it. No-one forced him to give that statement after the trial where he tried to paint himself as a victim, which famously kicked off the "suemepaddy" hashtag. Contrast his comments and tone to that of Mr Olding.

When you take a job as a high profile sports player you accept that along with the perks, generous salary, sponsorship deals and free entry into Ollies VIP area, you are a role model and will be held to a higher standard than someone off the street. To behave the way he did and expect sponsors, supporters and society as a whole to slap you on the back and welcome you back with open arms is almost laughable.

Its really no better putting the word man in speech marks

He is actually a man...not a boy

The man has a career - he’s been playing professional rugby for a French team. Not sure why we are expected to feel sorry for him, I feel sorry for the woman he so badly treated, I care not a hoot about him.

Okaaay…. so punishment should last “his whole life” ….
There are many inaccuracies in your ‘narrative’. Intentional?
But, let’s focus on your thirst for “whole life” punishment
How very revealing in your certitude and relish. But, then maybe you are influenced by the school of self-appointed ‘community judges’ who inflict ‘justice’ like knee-capping on young men, as punishment for being ‘anti-social’, like drug dealing. Rather than respect juries and courts?
… PJ was not responsible for all the whatsapp comments. He only made one whatsapp comment… “There was a lot of spit roast last night”.
Very boastful, considering the (sober) female witness who entered the room, turned down his invitation to her, to join in, and laughed about a consensual “threesome” with her friend, as she descended the stairs.

@SadlyDelores seems like lots of people including Irish Rugby, Ulster and Diageo as well as every other poster on this thread disagree with you.
It’s really not a good look being an apologist for the men’s behaviour but you will probably find lots of people do agree with your point of view(maybe try twitter, it’s a magnet for misogyny), just not on a feminist forum.

1984 in 2019

Group-Think isn't a good look, either. But, must be comforting.

Aahh so if people disagree with you its group think...gotcha

So if people agree with you then thats group think as well i assume

I think 1984 was just suggesting that your ‘group’ is probably on twitter

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/paddy-whiskey-reviewing-its-partnership-with-london-irish-amid-paddy-jackson-deal-1.3926265?mode=amp
Another sponsor reviewing its partnership with London Irish! Well done everyone.

While you are at it, why not send a message of support to Carl Beech! “ ..,we were so convinced...”

3 times
you haven't answered the question, as regards what is social justice ? How long should the punishment last?
The 'man's' whole career and life ??
And, why do you dismiss all the decision-making, done by a court with Female Judge, Female Head of Jury, the Jury. Were you there ?
Do you know 'better' ?

I raised one question - which is to ask why you refer to men as boys or 'men'? When you've answered mine, then I'll come back to your many others.

Hmm. Still no explanation as to why a 23 year old man has magicked into a boy.

But I'll have a go at your other questions.
What is social justice? Google it.
How long should the punishment last? I have no fixed opinion on this. But as of today should he be allowed to play a sport where he is admired and looked up to by young boys and men? IMO no.
Why do I dismiss the court? I don't. And haven't said I do. My views about his suitability to play are based on his attitudes as expressed by his messages and behaviour. This is independent of any questions that may or may not exist as to whether he is a rapist. So my presence in the court is irrelevant. But now you have me curious? Why were you there? Are you related to him? Dating him? An ex? A friend? A rugby groupie? So now you've an extra question on top of "why do you call him a boy?"

Any chance of an answer to either?

3Times Lucky
Thank you for your questions. Yes, definitely, I will reply. I won’t be able to, tonight. Away from home, doing a lot of duty stuff.

Glad to see there are more reviewing their association with London Irish.

Hopefully LI have a good think about the damage they've done to the family club image they've always portrayed.

3 T Lucky, First: your question on language…
Yes, it’s (legalistically) precise describing a group of 23/24 yr olds, as “men”....And it’s a regional colloquialism for me to use ‘boys’ to refer to “young men”, in PLURAL. Quite common as shorthand, as “young men” is more long-winded. (Interestingly, as a regional insight, I wouldn’t use the word “boy” to refer to a 24 yr old young man.)

Talking language, it’s good to be aware of regional, age-group/common parlance. The Complainant herself described the other girls’s behaviour at the party as “slutty” - because they posed for photos, sitting on the knees, of the young men at the party. Hardly, a heavy condemnation. So, the use of the words “Belfast sluts” surely needs to be construed in the same way? The Jury thought so.
You ask if I am a “RUGBY GROUPIE”. Wow, isn’t that a sexist, patronising, disrespectful description ?

FYI, I don’t know these people and don’t even watch rugby.
I just really dislike cruel and ignorant injustice.

DT
Yes, I really do feel for that young girl because this Trial will blight her life. As a 19yr old, she was actually very badly served and exploited by many ‘adults’ around her, who had their own hidden ‘agendas’ for this trial spectacular.

I can't do enough eyevrolls to cover the BS you are spouting here.

It's not the trial that will blight her life, although I suspect you know that but just like being a GF.

You sir, do NOT belong on the feminist board.

I'm going to leave it now as I think you'll find your bridge is that way --->

SadlyDolores

Your attitude is everything that is wrong with societies attitudes towards women. Oh and to answer your question, how long should Paddy pay for it? For the rest of his rotten life. Since he escaped what should have been certain jail time.