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Paddy Jackson hired for London Irish Rugby.

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StrippingTheVelvet · 07/05/2019 18:39

After a year with his tail between his legs, Paddy has now been hired by LIRFC. I have attached the list of their sponsors below if anyone has time to send an email or two asking them to put pressure on for the decision to be reconsidered. I'm very articulate, but if it makes it easier feel free to use my letter.

"Good afternoon

I was hoping you could clarify your position on whether Pump Technology expects a certain standard of behaviour from both the organisations they sponsor and those associated with them? I am disturbed to hear about the recent appointment of Paddy Jackson to LIRFC. As you financially support LIRFC one can only assume that you endorse their decisions.

Given the level of public prominence players have and that they are viewed as role models for our young men to aspire to, do you feel this appointment is appropriate and are you happy to be associated with and financially support this decision?

I would urge you to please discuss this with LIRFC in the same way as Ulster Rugby's sponsors did to ensure there was no negative impact on their businesses.

Kindest regards,"

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beanaseireann · 10/05/2019 18:40

DDs and I didn't stand or clap when Rory Best ran onto the pitch for Ireland or went off either. Our own little protest.
I was gobsmacked by his remarks on the trial in his interview in the Irish Times.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 12/05/2019 08:12

An interview with the woman raped by Alex Hepburn:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7018773/Rape-victim-Worcestershire-County-cricketer-Alex-Hepburn-speaks-time.html

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 12/05/2019 11:21

Germaine has had her say, here - pretty questionable comments on women's behaviour. Once again, we appear to be responsible for what men choose to do hmm

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 12/05/2019 11:21

That was meant to be a Hmm, obviously...

PlinkPlink · 12/05/2019 11:51

I think you also have to have a word with the girls about being available

Seriously? What does that even mean, Germaine?

What doing being available mean?
Is it clothes? Is wearing the wrong type of clothes signalling I'm available?
Or my behaviour? If I'm flirting with someone, does that mean I'm available?

I flirted with the man who assaulted me. I'd been flirting with him for a few days. I fancied him even (shocking I know). But I didn't deserve to be assaulted. Fucks sake.

I notice that Womens Aid didn't comment directly on that part of Germaine Greer's speech. They did agree that men and women need to be educated on healthy relationships and respect.

I do wish people would stop circulating this victim blaming culture.

PlinkPlink · 12/05/2019 11:52

I think you also have to have a word with the girls about being available

Seriously? What does that even mean, Germaine?

What doing being available mean?
Is it clothes? Is wearing the wrong type of clothes signalling I'm available?
Or my behaviour? If I'm flirting with someone, does that mean I'm available?

I flirted with the man who assaulted me. I'd been flirting with him for a few days. I fancied him even (shocking I know). But I didn't deserve to be assaulted. Fucks sake.

I notice that Womens Aid didn't comment directly on that part of Germaine Greer's speech. They did agree that men and women need to be educated on healthy relationships and respect.

I do wish people would stop circulating this victim blaming culture.

Annasgirl · 17/05/2019 10:57

I just read that London Irish are delighted to have signed PJ.

I despair, but am not surprised. I will make a small stand - my DC will not be going to any LI games in Ireland (they go to our local matches for our club).

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StrippingTheVelvet · 11/06/2019 14:28

I've just seen this saying that Diageo is meeting with London Irish to discuss 'serious concerns' around Jackson's appointment. It also mentions that Cash Converters recently decided to end their sponsorship recently. It's nice to see that some organisations do listen to concerns raised.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48595762

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SexPayGap · 11/06/2019 14:46

Great news indeed. I emailed all the sponsors at the time and it’s heartening to know that some do agree that he is not a suitable role model.

beanaseireann · 11/06/2019 16:03

I saw that too and thought of this thread.
Hopefully more supporters of LI will object to Guinness, as clearly the club don't care.
Personally, if any of my sons had the attitude towards women that those men involved in the court case had, I would consider I had failed as a parent.
I feel sorry for their female relatives - they hold women in such contempt.

BrienneofTarthILoveYou · 11/06/2019 22:17

Great news as I got a non-response when I contacted Diaegeo at the time.

SadlyDolores · 14/06/2019 12:17

Paddy Jackson did not call the girls sluts. Significantly, the alleged 'victim' girl was the one who described the other girls' behaviour at the party, as "slutty", to the police, probably because one of them had seen her engaging in a consensual threesome, and she was scared of being talked about.

SadlyDolores · 14/06/2019 12:27

STV - You are factually very inaccurate about this case. There was a Female Judge, a Female Jury Forewoman, a Female Forensics expert () and most important of all a KEY FeMALE witness, who walked in on the girl involved in a threesome.
Paddy Jackson DID not call women sluts. (The girl called the other girls' behaviour 'slutty" which was a bit ironic.) The girl initially claimed she was penis-raped; but the forensics did not back any of these initial claims up and after 6 months these charges were dropped.
() the tear in the girl was judged by the Female forensics expert, as consistent with consensual sex; and the expert also said there was no proof that there was blood as a result. Indeed the girl told her friend the next day, she had got her period.

Sakura7 · 14/06/2019 12:36

You seem eager to defend his deplorable behaviour Sadly. We heard enough evidence in the trail to know that his behaviour and attitude towards women is appalling, and he should not be held up as a role model for young kids.

SadlyDolores · 14/06/2019 12:48

I followed the trial closely and know a lot of the detail. Female Judge, Female Head of Jury, Female Forensics expert and SIGNIFICANTLY a Key Female Witness who was in the room and devastated the complainant's case. The Jury could not have given their verdicts any quicker, considering She had engaged the State Public prosecution service to accuse 3 boys which was why the trial was so long.

Sakura7 · 14/06/2019 13:00

Did you read my post at all Sadly?

How do you excuse the disgusting WhatsApp messages?

How do you know how you'd react if you were being raped by two men significantly stronger than you and a random person walked in? Just because she didn't act the way you think she should doesn't mean she's lying.

Legally it was difficult to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. That doesn't mean he's innocent, and we can all draw our own conclusions based on the evidence.

SadlyDolores · 14/06/2019 13:43

The female witness, who walked into the room, was completely sober (as she was working the next day.) so her observation has a lot of credibility.

Back to the whatsapp messages - Jackson only wrote one: "there was a lot of spit roast last night". Are you really going to suggest endless punishment for a 23 yr old's private Whatsapp text? as if this defines his character for the rest of his days?
After all, the (rather older) head of Belfast Feminist Network has openly said she is "gloating' about the Sponsorship withdrawal situation - a rather unpleasant insight into a bully who is leading a mob against a young man, and deliberately obfuscating the facts.

SexPayGap · 14/06/2019 13:45

@SadlyDolores they were not “boys” they were grown men who behaved abominably. Defend them if you will but Diageo has concluded the behaviour was inconsistent with their values. Not a decision taken lightly I imagine given the long relationship between the sponsor and the club. And for that I applaud Diageo.

SexPayGap · 14/06/2019 13:47

Interesting how you felt highlighting the Belfast feminist woman’s age is relevant here.

SadlyDolores · 14/06/2019 13:49

it was meant to indicate, that she should be more mature.

Sakura7 · 14/06/2019 13:58

The female witness, who walked into the room, was completely sober (as she was working the next day.) so her observation has a lot of credibility.

I never suggested she wasn't sober or wasn't credible, but you know that and you're dodging my question.

I don't think it's reasonable to dictate a "right" way for a victim to behave in that scenario, at a moment in time where she's experiencing an extremely traumatic and frightening event. Not all rape victims scream the place down, not all rape victims feel able to fight back.

SadlyDolores · 14/06/2019 14:08

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SadlyDolores · 14/06/2019 14:10

SexPayGap
it seems to me, that you are indicating that you think the Jury took their decision(s)) on this cases 'lightly'.

SexPayGap · 14/06/2019 14:25

@SadlyDolores it seems to me that you are trying to put words in my mouth.

So can you find the relevant quote from me instead please.

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