Shaun Dellenty - the 'new' Andrew Moffatt

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I've recently come across this author/speaker:

shaundellenty.com/

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Like Andrew Moffatt, he is a gay man and (I believe) a former educator.

He goes into schools to talk about his book/LGBT inclusion and has an upcoming webinar for teachers via the National College.

His book is also endorsed by Peter Tatchell and Michael Cashman. The latter has recently tweeted out about Dellenty's book.

Is anybody familiar with him? Do we know if this inclusion supports girls/young lesbians?

After Andrew Moffatt's take on the EA and the questions around his work (great article via Transgendertrend) I find myself questionning any of the males going into schools to talk about inclusion, based on their experience as a homosexual man.

When I think about it, it only seems to be males or gay males influencing schools.
I've witnessed in my niece's school, in a privileged area, as the wealthy head boy is treated like a God, seemingly just because he is gay. Meanwhile, a friend's lesbian daughter is convinced she's trans now and a straight male.

Back to Dellenty - It may be this book and author do prioritise young girls and lesbians, but I am curious to find out more as I am hearing Dellenty's names and tweets crop up more and more in education.

The thing is you need to know what will be taught in order to make a decision.

I remember inviting parents to an after school meeting regarding sex Ed in y4, it was discussed with the deputy head there too. Only one Muslim family attended at my school ( over 15 years ago) and after clarification they were happy to it to go ahead.

One good point my deputy said at the time was that children will talk in the playground; it may be better to be part of a lesson for ultimate clarity in that situation.

Children will talk, so withdrawing doesn't always help. The key thing is to make sure the content is correct in the first place and freely available to parents to enable them to make that decision.

I was given the content for the Stonewall lesson and it made my toes curl. It included a quiz using those fake suicide stats.

Jesus.

Surely that's against a code?

Who on earth is regulating what goes into schools?

Were those stats going to be part of the lessons?

Yes, a quiz.

How is that legal???

@madaashellshell

What was that statistic based on again? 27 kids that self selected to do the survey?

That was a quiz for children to do? That is such an irresponsible and downright dangerous thing to include in a quiz.

Did you talk to the school about that quiz, HandsOff? What did they say?

That was a quiz for children to do? That is such an irresponsible and downright dangerous thing to include in a quiz.

I'm really trying to challenge my thinking about this in case I'm being reactionary - I'm primary trained too so not up to speed with ethics in secondary. But I'm struggling.

Are there safeguarding teaching guidelines around discussion of suicide in uk schools?

Any young person on the receiving end of bullying is more likely to be at risk of depression and potentially suicide.

Any young person with a mental health or trauma related mh difficulty is at risk. Or any form of difference.

Promotion of inclusion of all differences and tackling bullying, including how to find help, should be education's job.

If this was appropriate why are reporters banned from talking about suicide esp around y/p?

There is much in the Samaritan's reporting guidelines which would suggest that just putting this statistic in a quiz for children would not be a very safe thing to do.

www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/best-practice-suicide-reporting-tips/

Including over-simplifying and causing over-identification with such a high rate of attempted suicide.

causing over-identification with such a high rate of attempted suicide.

Absolutely this.

Thanks for that link.

This quiz is 'taught' in my child's school (and many other Stonewall Champions, I'm guessing).

The statistic was debunked by the NHS - I have all the details, which I shared with the head, along with my other evidence-based concerns.

He thinks I'm a)over-reacting and b) a bigoted T* and c) the best bit - that Stonewall is a "reputable" organisation.

This is so shocking. Who was the provider of the quiz? Sorry if you have said and I missed it.

You said Stonewall - sorry - any further details of what was in the "training" or talk?

From limited research I've done I believe it is part of teaching materials behind either pay walls or access walls for Stonewall Champion schools. Happy to be corrected.

I'm wondering about whether it's of any relevance to whistle blow regarding the suicide stats in that quiz on the grounds that yp could over identify as set out by Samaritans. It says the line is for professionals but I can't see how else a concern about that quiz can be raised.

www.nspcc.org.uk/what-you-can-do/report-abuse/dedicated-helplines/whistleblowing-advice-line/

Removing the trans part - if you do this the line seems even more shocking. You wouldn't see this type of question in relation to any other situation.

Eg "do more girls or boys self harm?" Absolutely crazy sort of question to have in schools.

It minimises mh conditions for other pupils too.