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Penny Mordaunt is new Defence Secretary

25 replies

BuzzPeakWankBobbly · 01/05/2019 19:41

She's now Defence Sec after Gavin Williamson got sacked.

The reports aren't saying she has left her Women & Equalities role, but surely she can't have two major portfolios?

(Tbh, they could put a broom handle with a wig on as Women & Equalities in her place and it wouldn't be any worse.)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-48096708

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BuzzPeakWankBobbly · 01/05/2019 19:42

Apparently she can Angry :

She will be the UK's first female Defence Secretary and retains the job of minister for women and equalities.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/penny-mordaunt-appointed-as-first-ever-female-defence-secretary-after-gavin-williamson-sacked-from-a4131876.html

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MockerstheFeManist · 01/05/2019 19:51

....which confirms the suspicion that one is a full-time job, and the other a non-job.

Priorities.

KarenTheCashRegister · 01/05/2019 19:54

She’s now got two jobs she can make a complete pig’s ear of.

WinterBluez · 01/05/2019 20:01

Have they checked whether she knows what defence is? The word woman seems to have her confused enough.

FermatsTheorem · 01/05/2019 20:04

Someone on another thread just said something along the lines of "Best start learning Mandarin or Russian, then. Heck, even the Swiss might take a crack at us."

Pretty much sums her up.

HumberElla · 01/05/2019 20:06

Well presumably we as a country can just identify as defending itself. That way we can save a huge budget allocation on security. Win!

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 01/05/2019 20:23

I've come to realise that the job of Women & Equalities Minister is to government as the job of SENCO is to teaching. Something you do 1 day a week around your real job, with no regard to the impact your incompetence has on a vulnerable group.

AlwaysComingHome · 01/05/2019 20:44

Well presumably we as a country can just identify as defending itself. That way we can save a huge budget allocation on security. Win!

A foreign army could just identify as British and march in. Anyone who questions whether their ushanka is really a bowler hat would be committing a hate crime.

Whatisthisfuckery · 01/05/2019 22:51

I suspect everyone else has took one look at the GRA mess and gone nah, you crack on Penny.

BuzzPeakWankBobbly · 02/05/2019 09:04

What about a petition to Govt to make Women & Equalities a seperate post - not to treat it as a 52% irrelevance, but something worthy of a full time Minister?

I'm going to write to Mrs May along those lines personally anyway (and cc in my MP)

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DpWm · 02/05/2019 09:08

I'm done with any of the conservatives taking on Women and Equalities.
They'd be better off just ditching the post completely. Then the AWA won't have anyone to lobby. Everyone else will be too busy.

birdy1978 · 02/05/2019 09:09

I’m hoping this is good news for Defence, especially women in Defence. She’s a serving officer in the Naval Reserve so understands the issues facing women in the military from the other side of the fence, and hopefully will be more tuned in to gender issues in modern warfare (impacting both civilian and military populations). Good luck to her!

Beamur · 02/05/2019 09:12

It's far too much for one person. Maybe Teresa can't find anyone to take on the role. Otherwise it just looks like it's unimportant to have a dedicated Minister for Women and Equalities.

R0wantrees · 02/05/2019 09:21

I'm done with any of the conservatives taking on Women and Equalities.

Dawn Butler as Labour's shadow Women & Equalities comprehensively lobbied by TRAs.

see important report from Jane Fae's TRA conference, "We're Still Here" last year where Dawn Butler MP was key note speaker:

OP TheHarpySings wrote, Thu 18-Oct-18
(extract)
"3) Keynote Speech: Dawn Butler MP: Shadow Women & Equalities

This speech was fucking cringe. She said she was an ally of LGBT but had got a lot of messages moaning at her for “betraying women”. “Despite the fact I AM a woman.”

She mentioned all the countries that have self ID (RoI, Argentina, Malta, Norway). Apparently she’d been to Malta recently and it was “really chill.”

She blames the Tories for allowing this debate to drag on. “It is cruel.”

The impact of self ID are “non existent”. She said if this had been done swiftly there would be none of the current fuss or transphobia.

She said

  1. the LGBT community needs to mobilise
  2. They need to contribute to the consultation
  3. They need to change the tone of the debate (lolercaust)

She also went on to say that a “phobia” is an irrational fear and there are three treatments:

  1. Hypnosis
  2. Talking therapy
  3. Immersion therapy

Apparently the only way forward to deal with transphobia is talking therapy. DB said that the conservation needs to be around counties that already have self ID and it’s “fine”

Hilariously, given that the audience contained fucking Dr Harrop, she said something like “keyboard warriors don’t know the consequences of their actions.”

DB: “Labour will champion the unheard.”

She said that this was another form of Section 28 on the trans community.

She then quoted at length from a song from “The Greatest Showman”. I wish I was making that up.

Also, she got cornered by Mermaids reps on the way out and is meeting with them and their kids soon." (continues)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

R0wantrees · 02/05/2019 15:40

Well, that's interesting.
Hmm

26/04/2019 Penny Mordant's recent speech at Stonewall networking event:

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/minister-for-women-and-equalities-penny-mordaunt-stonewall-workplace-conference-london-2019

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3570840-Protest-outside-Stonewall-Conference-by-Visible-Lesbians

Penny Mordant speech Stonewall event at Conservative Conference. October 2018
mobile.twitter.com/LGBTCons/status/1047211456318595072

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3382991-Penny-Mordaunt-thinks-the-public-need-re-educated-on-trans-rights-issues

Penny Mordant MP (Minister for Women & Equalities) Mumsnet Q&A:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3523984-International-Women-s-Day-Q-A-with-Penny-Mordaunt-MP-Secretary-of-State-for-International-Development-NOW-CLOSED-TO-NEW-QUESTIONS

Independent article by Maya Forstater
Wednesday 27 March 2019
'Has Penny Mordaunt got away with the worst Mumsnet performance ever?
Questions that Mordaunt didn’t answer started with the basics: what is a woman, can humans change sex, and in what circumstances is it necessary to distinguish between males and females?'
www.independent.co.uk/voices/penny-mourdant-mumsnet-gender-recognition-act-a8835621.html

Ruth Hunt:

28/4/2019 Object! article by HANNAH HARRISON,
'Remind Stonewall: Lesbians Don’t Have Penises!'
(extract)
"On ‘Lesbian Visibility Day’ 2019, OBJECT joined others to protest against Stonewall’s erasure of female lesbians - as Julia Long said, “the old-fashioned kind that don’t have a penis!”

One intrepid OBJECT representative arrived early and entered the conference building. This is her report from within: (continues)

A woman from Vodaphone who said she had a 'trans history' spoke. Is trans the new passport to a well-paid job, just as an Oxbridge education or a posh accent used to be? Then Ruth Hunt spoke again about 'tensions' i.e. the protesters outside. She said that delegates should not speak to them, and if they absolutely had to go out for a smoke break, they could ask a member of Stonewall staff to go with them! So much for promoting debate and discussion about LGBT rights. Most of them out there were lesbians or concerned parents of young children who are having the transagenda pushed at them in school." (continues)
www.objectnow.org/news/2019/4/28/lesbians-dont-have-penises?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3514190-Ruth-Hunt-is-leaving-Stonewall

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384455-Ruth-Hunt-Stonewall-do-not-and-will-not-acknowledge-that-there-is-a-conflict-between-trans-rights-and-sex-based-women-s-rights

Penny Mordaunt is new Defence Secretary
Fallingirl · 02/05/2019 17:07

I wonder if now would be a good time to ask my MP to pass on to Theresa May and Penny Mordaunt any and all gender critical concerns I have, including critique of the travesty Mordaunt has made of the Women & Equalities portfolio.

My Mp is one Gavin Williamson.

EleanorScott · 02/05/2019 19:53

Also I saw my MP today when he was canvassing and we agree to speak soon about women and child safeguarding issues.

Lumene · 02/05/2019 23:23

Penny Mordaunt was a Navy reserve and has had a junior defence role before.

NeurotrashWarrior · 03/05/2019 06:48

*Dawn Butler as Labour's shadow Women & Equalities comprehensively lobbied by TRAs.

see important report from Jane Fae's TRA conference, "We're Still Here" last year where Dawn Butler MP was key note speaker:*

Fucking hell; I was knee deep in a baby sleep regression when that thread went up and somehow never realised she was shadow labour W and E.

Fucking. Hell.

SirVixofVixHall · 03/05/2019 09:11

God help us.
Great pieces EleanorScott

R0wantrees · 03/05/2019 14:59

I did a short commemorative piece

EleanorScott I do so admire your writing. Thank you & I hope your MP listens carefully to what you're saying. Cake

EleanorScott · 04/05/2019 12:50

Thanks, @SirVixofVixHall and @R0wantrees. That's good to hear from you.

Re: my MP, I'll report back.

Quietlife333 · 04/05/2019 14:24

She has one job to do and one job to ignore.

SirVixofVixHall · 04/05/2019 22:05

And she will make a total mess of both of them. Defence and Women & Equalities....we are doomed, doomed I tell ye.

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