Rachel McKinnon weightlifting results compared to male and female powerlifters

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Rachel McKinnon has been publicly tweeting about their workout recently and then I fell down a rabbit hole of (also publicly available) statistics:

twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1122578451192602626

One of their lifts was stated as follows: "Doing low ROM deadlifts. 485lb singles" (220kg)

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WORKING ASSUMPTIONS FOR POST

1. R McKinnon competes in the 35-44 age category for cycling, which is generally accepted as the starting “Masters” age range in sports.
2. According to the velonews article (link at end) R McKinnon weighs around 200lbs (~88kg)
3. R McKinnon may have only been doing “one rep max” which can be higher than part of a general lifting workout (although the tweet does say deadlifts (plural)).
4. R McKinnon's tweet appears to mean a Romanian Deadlift, versus a Conventional Deadlift - which I think is what the British Powerlifting results are for (link at end). I don't believe the difference in lift is significant here though.

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So I looked at the British Powerlifting records for the entrants that match that as closely as possible:

• For women this would be the 84+kg Masters group
  (note: this is the maximum weight grouping and includes all women that weight and over.)

• For men, the 83kg Masters group
  (there are 2 further weight classes for men - 93kg and 105kg)

I have used the “2018 British Masters Classic Championships” results; then calculated the mean, median and mode for each class (links at end).

There were 13 entrants in the women’s 84+kg class and 15 entrants in the men’s 83kg class.

Women’s Best Deadlifts (84+kg): Mean: 161.5kg / Median: 150kg / Mode: 170kg, 150kg
(Individual “best deadlift”: 192.5 187.5 170 170 150 145 150 137.5 130 120 207.5 200 140)

Men’s Best Deadlifts (83kg): Mean: 214.8kg / Median: 210kg / Mode: 210kg, 200kg, 202.5kg
(Individual “best deadlift”: 272.5 265 232.5 255 210 215 200 202.5 252.5 210 200 180 202.5 175 150)

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I then looked at the higher class men’s results as well:
Men’s Best Deadlifts (93kg): Mean: 212.5 / Median: 235 / Mode: 250
(Individual “best deadlift”: 250 235 220 235 240 250 222.5 237.5 210 180 250 237.5 250 185 245 16 150)

Men’s Best Deadlifts (105kg): Mean: 248 / Median: 237.5 Mode: 200
(Individual “best deadlift”: 323 302.5 260 230 200 237.5 255 225 200)

These results show that that R McKinnon’s tweeted lift falls in between the averages of the 93kg and 105kg classes, and completely outranks every British Powerlifting female's best efforts in 2018. Every. Single. One.

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Six months ago in the velonews article, Rachel McKinnon stated "My body produces next to no testosterone, and my levels are below the bottom of the average female range, to the point where they’re essentially undetectable" - which reads as if they believe they are virtually indistinguishable from females in terms of biological advantage.

So, er, right… No inherent male bodily or muscular advantage, yet able to lift more than all the female power lifters on their best lift in the 2018 British Powerlifting Masters Classic Championships? ALL OF THEM? And, somewhat amazingly, significantly more than most of the men’s bests as well?

This is why women's sport will be destroyed.

LINKS:
www.velonews.com/2018/10/news/commentary-the-complicated-case-of-transgender-cyclist-dr-rachel-mckinnon_480285

www.myprotein.com/thezone/training/deadlift-variations/

www.britishpowerlifting.org/documents/665_british_masters_classic_championships.pdf

www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/statistics/mean-median-mode.php

Yes, and that’s why RM lurks here but never posts. We have questions RM can’t ever answer and unlike Twitter, the questioners can’t be blocked. Some may call that spineless of RM, personally I’d love the opportunity to talk to RM.

I think RM prefers to discuss MN threads on Twitter.

I am a shitbag, for example, for starting this thread .
Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and be called a stupid cunt or something? You can only hope!

(although maybe not as that would be reducing you to your bio-essentialist genitals or some shit like that)

datun

If it was fact i can guarantee it would have been proved...with great fanfare and possibly a host of angels

As for the "questions that can't ever [be] answered", I have checked my calendar and we are shortly due another "I am a TW AMA" poster planning to tell us how we're all wrong, before abandoning the thread but not before collecting their screenshots .

So maybe ask your questions there? I'm sure they will be fulsomely responded to with thoughtful and nuanced prose.

For a shitbag you have a brilliant sense of humour buzz

Ohh yes, we haven’t had one of them for a while, Buzz.
I do hope it’s a I’m TW world champion cyclist, AMA. I’ve not much in the next couple of days.

Rufus For a shitbag you have a brilliant sense of humour buzz grin

Oh no, I am taking this very seriously. When I got informed of the ruling of shitbaggery, I immediately went and took a good hard look at myself in the mirror and thought about what I'd done.

A good hard womanly look and a lady-think.

Then I got distracted by kittens and bobbins and stuff. Obvs.

Well who doesn't get distracted by kittens and bobbins!!

And well done you, taking criticism on your delicate chin and reevaluating yourself

Go you 🐱

GassyAss I need to play the fucking Lotto tonight!

BuzzShitbagBobbly Fri 10-May-19 10:40:10
...As for the "questions that can't ever [be] answered", I have checked my calendar and we are shortly due another "I am a TW AMA" poster...

ET VOILA!
"I obviously know nothing about your lives outside of the views expressed here on Mumsnet so feel free to ask me anything about my life to learn about me"
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3583061-I-am-a-Trans-woman-I-Have-an-experiment-for-us-all

They’re more reliable than trains!

Hahahahaha BuzzShitbagBobbly I read that thread and thought of you.... I was wondering if you’d paid someone 😂

OP, you are a statistics machine. Well done you.

Good on that powerlifting org... I hear they are setting up a transgender comp, which seems very sensible. Hopefully they will carry Mary’s stats across, who will then hold those records initially.

Gassy you’ll be waiting a long time.. certain persons only deign to communicate with those (many) they deem their intellectual inferior. You don’t qualify

And RM is chicken

2BthatUnnoticed OP, you are a statistics machine.

That's a very kind thing to say, but I'm really not, and have happily accepted corrections/clarifications on this thread, which are there for all to see and use their own judgment on.

Just spent a bit of time looking at the facts - again, all of which are publicly available to everyone.

If more of us started throwing sunlight on information like this, the lie would be exposed more and more and more. The people involved don't like it because they know this, so they start shitbagging mudslinging, and of course MN will have been harangued by their footsoldiers. But they are plain facts, not personal opinions etc.

So I implore people to do more of this sort of open review of facts and figures.

Yes, and that’s why RM lurks here but never posts

How would you know if she "lurks here but never posts"

You don't know who anybody is on here

What a strange hill to die on.

We all know RM lurks here; because they post on twitter about it so extensively(1). But given they think this is such a cesspit, I can't imagine they'd lower their standards to post here, even less so incognito.

And given your own opinions too, one might also wonder why you bother to sully your eyes with this board as well. Most people tend not to waste their time on boards which have no interest to them, but you seem to spend a lot of time telling people off here.

(1) Or maybe they have someone who reports back to them or whatever. Either way they are incredibly invested in what goes on here.)

"So I implore people to do more of this sort of open review of facts and figures."

Well said!

We all know RM lurks here; because they post on twitter about it so extensively(1)

Well I didn't which is why I asked? I don't follow her on Twitter so wouldn't know

Most people tend not to waste their time on boards which have no interest to them, but you seem to spend a lot of time telling people off here

Eh? How have I told anyone on this thread?! I was asking a question FGS.

Told off sorry not told