Times article - Police used ‘violent’ transgender activist for equality training

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Police used ‘violent’ transgender activist for equality training

Feminists have raised fears that the hiring of ‘ideologues’ skews officers’ responses to aggressive behaviour

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-used-violent-transgender-activist-for-equality-training-x0mktgclw

Transgender activists with a record of using insulting language or even violence against women have been used for police training in equality and diversity.

Feminists say the use of “ideologues” for police awareness courses may help explain cases of officers dealing harshly with opponents of the transgender cause.

Among the activists used by police is Kellie Maloney, a transgender boxing promoter, who as Frank Maloney tried to strangle his then wife, Tracey.

Great to see this in the media.

I suppose it is inevitable if you have a small pool of people to choose from providing the training or the training to the trainers using personal experience, with very little back up from research and academia in order to get a wider educated view of the context which supports this ideology.

I think it's alarming that the small pool of people all happen to include a high rate of violent misogynists!

Here’s a shareToken link to get through the paywall. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-used-violent-transgender-activist-for-equality-training-x0mktgclw?shareToken=eb3ead96e800f9d8e04d6dba1c8edb8d

Well, well, well...
Colour me shocked.

It's the same everywhere - the NHS guidance, the schools guidance, government guidance. Created and delivered by men with sexual fetishes or violence, or both. The common thread being they hate women.

I despair. How can we hold the police to account over decisions like this? It's not like Maloney's history of DV was a secret. So someone decided that a violent offender was a legit candidate to give training to the police

It isn’t inevitable at all, the Police failed in their responsibilities to speak to the right people. There are plenty of lovely law abiding transpeople who are not hateful and violent to others, problem is, the Police couldn’t be arsed to speak with them.

I think it's alarming that the small pool of people all happen to include a high rate of violent misogynists!

Are violent misogynists over-represented amongst late transitioning males?

There are plenty of lovely law abiding transpeople who are not hateful and violent to others, problem is, the Police couldn’t be arsed to speak with them.

Perhaps it was easier for the police to locate and identify the ones with a criminal record.

This illustrates perfectly that mention the T word and everyone will literally ignore everything else. That all anyone cares about is appearing woke.

Nothing else matters.

Gilligan again.

He really doesn't care.

“Police forces have historically been dominated by white male culture and, as the Macpherson inquiry [into the murder of Stephen Lawrence] found, have sometimes got things catastrophically wrong. It looks as if they are now over-compensating.”

Seems to me that police forces are still dominated by white male culture and they are acting to protect the interests of other white males (who now call themselves women).

West Yorkshire Ambulance Service received training from Mark Jones/Karen Jones, convicted killer and sex offender.

West Yorkshire Ambulance Service received training from Mark Jones/Karen Jones, convicted killer and sex offender.

Yes, I remember that one.

Perhaps the police might be better off having more adequate training in the law?

I didn't think there was much overcompensation going on either - just the same old etc.

However, the police may be feeling that they are making an effort to be more inclusive in light of the Macpherson enquiry, without realising that they are going down that same well trodden path. Which may be the reason it seems to come so easy to them.

The public, not just women, have been puzzled by stories of heavy handed policing against non-believers.

The police are jumping to the tune of trans activisits reporting non-crimes in the context of

• cuts to police budgets and reduced police numbers,
• scandalous failures to save the lives of women who turned to them for help
• the lack of action against violent activists in Bristol

The police appear to be biased and oppressive under cover of being the saviours of a marginalised group of transgender victims. We know and the police know that TGs are far from being the most victimised group of people.

The police also appear to be incapable of bringing rapists to justice, or to intervene and prevent DV offenders from killing.

Time to get their priorities rights, surely?

That they have been influenced by TG people with histories of violence, or who use hate and inflammatory speech, is of public interest. The Times is helping people to join the dots and I thank them for another timely piece of investigative journalism.

It's chilling. Hewitt, Bradley, Challenors, Green and co. have all advised Govt and organisations.

Bradley was invited by Sky to comment, Challenor on BBC. There are two other high profile MRAs who have both got criminal charges/convictions for violence, one for beating up a gay man (who later died I believe) and the other for wielding a golf club, yet both appear in the media, with one featuring on panel/reality TV shows etc. while telling us we have no reason to fear sharing our spaces.

Kellie Maloney has turned up on Gilligan's Twitter thread.

Kellie can't remember much in the way of detail, apparently.

twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1122289819655266304

"Please mr Gilligan get your facts right I have never hidden the fact about the incident with my ex partner so it was out long before I spoke at the Kent event &could you enlightening me when I spoke 2officers in #Dorset I can’t recall this event. I have spoken 2 Essex offices"

"I do recall speaking at a public event in #Poole along side other which included journalist chairman of @afcbournemouth and others can’t recall seening any police officers in uniform there aubevtheyvwere #plainclothesoffices"

AFC Bournemouth is where Sophie Cook used to work as matchday photographer, by the way.

For once I'm a bit disappointed in Gilligan.This is basically a shortened rehash of Elsa Egret's Medium article - Meet the Experts Training UK Police on Trans Issues. It's good that it's reaching a wider audience but he should have credited her.

Carol Steele (Transfigurations) is mentioned in the Times article as working with Devon and Cornwall Police. Here is Carol's wisdom on puberty blockers:

Hi Yvonne - just wondering if you have any objections to prepubescent girls who are given these blockers to prevent unwanted pregnancies when they are 8 or 9 years old and to allow them to have a normal childhood?

Hard not to come to the conclusion that misogyny is welcome in the police.

I suspect that the word "training" will now be under much scrutiny.

And will be replaced with "raising awareness" and "sharing my transgender journey".

And the police will henceforth claim that they've never been trained by violent TRAs but that they've been involved in awareness sessions with respect to transgender lived experiences.

Bit like Jeremy Corbyn's "I was present but I don’t think I was actually involved in it" referring to laying a wreath for the Munich terrorists.

I'm disappointed if Gilligan hasn't credited his source, but very pleased this issue is reaching a wider audience.

So many of these violent misogynists have been in a position to infiltrate and influence the authorities, including, scandalously, Maria Miller's original report.

Their attitudes to women leach into their 'training'.

It's difficult to comprehend how many of them can even be taken seriously. To me, their credibility is instantly in the minus numbers, but even five minutes on Google should tell you everything you need to know.

It's an absolute bloody disgrace that the police, for whatever reason, have allowed it. Negligence, complicity, or a desire to appear woke. All of these reasons, indeed, any of them, show up their inherent misogyny too.

Asking convicted rapists and attempted murderers to give them advice makes them look utterly ridiculous. And creates an impression, which may be completely accurate, that they thoroughly celebrate crimes against women.

Seems a little familiar?
uncommongroundmedia.com/police-uk-trans-issues/

West Yorkshire Ambulance Service received training from Mark Jones/Karen Jones, convicted killer and sex offender.

Daily Mail february 2018 by EMILY HALL AND JAMES FIELDING:

"Transgender activist jailed for killing her boyfriend and trying to rape shop assistant five days after being released from prison is invited to speak at HOUSE OF LORDS
Karen Jones is a transgender activist who was born as a man called Mark Jones
Ms Jones, 34, from Leeds, was convicted of manslaughter after strangling her partner
Five days after being released in 2002, Jones brutally assaulted a female shop assistant after gagging her mouth with a lemon and trying to rape her
She was invited to launch a review on transgender people in the criminal justice system in the House of Lords"
(extract)
A transgender activist jailed for manslaughter and attempted rape was invited to give a speech in the House of Lords, MailOnline can reveal.

Karen Jones was asked by Lord Patel to talk about how the criminal justice system can better help transgender offenders.

Ms Jones, 34, who was born Mark Jones, is a convicted sex offender described by a judge as posing an 'extremely serious risk' to the public." (continues)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5440153/Trans-convict-invited-speak-House-Lords.html

I believe legal precedents were established by Karen Jones who successfully challenged being detained in male prison estate & achieved transfer to female estate without having had GRC /surgery?

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3370661-2009-case-of-a-judge-ordering-an-intact-male-rapist-into-a-female-prison-because-he-had-a-GRC

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3192486-Lord-Patel-Karen-Jones-thread-anyone-want-to-go-to-House-of-Lords-to-talk-to-Lord-Patel

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3180059-To-think-if-youve-killed-raped-women-we-dont-give-a-flying-fuck-what-you-think-on-any-given-matter

FFS.

And we are supposed to believe these people are the most vulnerable in our society?

The fucking idiots engaging the services of these people and not doing due diligence to find out what they have to say can fuck off.

I had liked a comment on that article, stating that Mermaids were also heavily involved in police training.....that comment has now been deleted.....strange goings on.