FOI request to GIDS reveals referral rate for girls is 3x that of boys

[OrchidInTheSun]

Thank you Transgender Trend for getting the data.

Where the hell is Mordaunt's promised enquiry? Or has she forgotten about that in the heap of cookies she's getting from Stonewall

I brought up buck angel bespin because if there were a significant increase in the amount of older female to Male transitioners which you insist there are/have been then the drs would be far more equipped to deal with it. It would be expected or foreseen and treated before it got to the point it did for buck.

As it is, much of it all seems to be a massive surprise and has drs scratching their heads

"broken arm syndrome" - you mean that case that Pink News had where the trans man was outraged to be asked if they were trans in order to have treatment?

"Could you be pregnant?" because we need to do an x ray
"are you on hormonal treatment?" because it puts you at risk of osteoporosis

but, no, Peter Tatchell was all "waaaa, transphobia" - when, in fact, it was bloody good care.

Bugger off with the "broken arm syndrome" the only syndrome there is the "I believe I know best because I read it on the internet" syndrome.

Muppet

It’s the transcommunity that needs to change not gps.dont put female as your sex when it isn’t.

YY.
It's hardly a GP surgery's fault when transpeople are lying about their sex on forms and on their birth certificates.

It is the TRA or "transcommunity" who are lobbying to remove 'Sex' from the national census Fgs. The transcommunity are bullying, vilifying, and even getting fired, anyone who tries to research detransitioners. Of course we are concerned about these sorts of things

It's falling on feminists to fix all the mess they have created as if we don't already have so much to do what with bringing down patriarchy and everything. We now need to fight to make sure trans people are recognised as such on documents, so they benefit from the best health care they can get and it's us who are fighting to allow research on detransitioners because surely the data will be invaluable in understanding the longer term / after effects of starting on transition and understanding exactly how reversible it is. Why aren't the "transcommunity" doing these things?

It is the TRA or "transcommunity" who are lobbying to remove 'Sex' from the national census Fgs. The transcommunity are bullying, vilifying, and even getting fired, anyone who tries to research detransitioners. Of course we are concerned about these sorts of things

Well exactly. Hiding their trans status from anyone and everyone , having hcps record gender instead of sex is exactly what they wanted. And now thet are moaning health care is appalling
Make your sodding mind up. Either we keep biologically accurate records so when you enter a drs or hospital they dont rule out deferred shoulder pain as a pulled muscle and have you bleed out from.a ruptured ectopic, or miss prostate cancer. Or you seek validation til death ( which will happen. When a dr misses liver or kidney failure as enzymes in the blood appear normal as you are being treated according to gender)

Whatever you choose stop blaming everyone else. Take responsibility

Well exactly. Hiding their trans status from anyone and everyone

Healthcare really does highlight the absurdity of the trans community. So what is a Dr expected to do when the are told they must

Respect a patient’s request to change the sex indicated on their medical records; you don’t have to wait for a Gender Recognition Certificate or an updated birth certificate.

and then

Don’t disclose a patient’s gender history unless it is directly relevant to the condition or its likely treatment.

and are given the warning

It’s unlawful to disclose a patient’s gender history without their consent

www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-hub/trans-healthcare#confidentiality-and-equality

I thought you would like that bit because systems did forget that bit and hence we got smear letters and not prostate ones

No, the NHS has been lobbied by TRAs & individuals to deny sex. The system was changed through pressure & without awareness of the inevitable consequences.

TRA lobby groups & organisations within the trans community could do a great deal to support trans people by encouraging & enabling the recognition of their sex based realities. This would inevtiably improve health outcomes.

People who identify as transgender are still male or female, some will be taking medication, some will not, some will have had surgery some will not.

Effective medical treatment requires the same series of relevent information for people who identify as transgender as everyone else.

For example I am female, had a total hysterectomy in my 30s & take HRT (oestrogen). These facts are relevent to any doctor taking my medical history so too the background eg that I have had cancer & chemotherapy.

The automatic sending of appointments for cervical smear tests is also something often discussed by women who have had gyny cancer as its very common to be called post total hystectomy (cervix is removed) . Some women find this distressing, some amusing some perplexing. There's information and support within gyny cancer communities & organisations about this & how to resolve it so as not to waste NHS resources or cause future distress.

Smear tests are managed centrally & a GP practice can only manually remove a female patient from the list when specifically requested to do so.

It seems likely that a female person who identifies a trans & requests their sex marker be changed to male on GP records would therefore be removed from the cervical smear program.

This is very concerning for a cohort of females who may also have increased risk of gyny cancer.

No doubt some male transpeople find it amusing or perplexing (affirming even?) to receive appointments for cervical smears.
The focus should be on the health risks to female transpeople who do not.

Don’t disclose a patient’s gender history unless it is directly relevant to the condition or its likely treatment

Yet the condition could be reliant on knowing in order to diagnose.

Especially in specific cancers and pregnancy.

Catch 22

Medical staff are not there to judge or play God. Newborn baby or serial killer, everyone is entitled to the best medical care. It's the law.

No ones laughing. No ones judging. Help them help you.

Don’t disclose a patient’s gender history unless it is directly relevant to the condition or its likely treatment

Sex is relevent.
It has relevence in ways which most patients may not appreciate.
Not disclosing sex & medical history will impact patient care. Shaming professionals or making it difficult for them to clarify these details risks effective healthcare.

Also, it can be very difficult to know how to approach the situation when the person has a trans appearance but has the opposite sex on the paperwork.

I think this is a significant challenge for the TRA. Wasn't there a case of a transman in the US who's bloods were compared against male levels, and they died of liver stuff because the female readings were dismissed?

Once people start being injured by medicine then the medics will have to put their foot down. They are in an impossible position, must be really challenging to balance those guidelines.

I really do think the best outcome would be therapy to help people accept the body they have.

double radical mastectomy for non-disease purposes has also increased? How do you know that?

It was reported the other day that cosmetic surgeons are now going to be expected to, first of all, explore the psychological reasons for people desiring surgery. Especially with those who return repeatedly for procedures.

Safeguarding and psychological assessment is primary in all other areas of medicine and surgery these days - except for in the case of transgenderism when asking questions is forbidden.

How have we, as a society, got to this point? It is bizarre and really quite scary.

last one as work you know when your in a community and your friends who are experiencing this are telling you something you tend to believe them. if you don't know anyone in thst community maybe you ask them what is happening not make assumptions about it though maybe the stats don't show it. I tend to listen to the trans men I know who work a lot in this area

I was at a meeting the other day in which a lesbian participant told of a group of young lesbians, that she had had some contact with, who were now reporting that only one of them still identified as a lesbian. All of the others were identifying as trans.

This is what people in and close to 'the community' are saying.

It's hardly a GP surgery's fault when transpeople are lying about their sex on forms and on their birth certificates.

It is the TRA or "transcommunity" who are lobbying to remove 'Sex' from the national census Fgs.

What bespin did is a good example of a DARVO.

The moral of the story, Bespin, in case you hadn't guessed, is this: be careful what you wish for; you just might get it.

I am unsure quite why you think it appropriate to harangue feminists for consequences the movement has inflicted upon itself. Far better to spend your time haranguing your activists and influencers.

Sex is relevant

This

When you think of the screening questions for accessing any HC (think A&E, dentist or even chiropodist) it's ridiculous that some people think sex can ever be irrelevant.

Safeguarding and psychological assessment is primary in all other areas of medicine and surgery these days - except for in the case of transgenderism when asking questions is forbidden

Adult men and women struggle to get vasectomies/sterilisation. Adults who have families and consistently state they wish to have no more children. Still, drs fear they will change their minds. And refuse.

loving people's support on here for trans health issues and look forwards to your continued support in getting gps to recognise our biological realities your Support is totally valued.

I think you'll find that most people who post here are deeply concerned about health issues, and that includes mental health issues. This whole trend is deeply damaging to health and well being, and is facilitating a life time, in many cases, of medical intervention and surgery.

The best hope is that those you speak of that don't taken any hormonal or medical steps will eventually desist. It seems that most do, anyway.

Meanwhile, in the face of this, women need to fight to maintain their sex based rights and spaces.

I think you'll find that most people who post here are deeply concerned about health issues, and that includes mental health issues. This whole trend is deeply damaging to health and well being, and is facilitating a life time, in many cases, of medical intervention and surgery

This ^^

That adult males (regardless of their gender identity) who have assumed such prominant roles in supporting children & young people's affirmation of being 'trans' without any professional or in depth knowledge of child development, female health, impact of trauma/abuse & sexuality is a serious issue.

I'm really pleased that Bespin mentioned patriarchy as a reason for why 'transmen' might get less attention and interest than 'transwomen', because that's a clear acknowledgment of 'transmen' being female and still subject to female subordination post transition. I'm really glad you can see that Bespin, it's not recognised enough.

One hopes though that male transpeople increasingly recognise their position within patriachy is also sex-based.

Amongst some disciples of Queer theory & Post-modernism there is a deliberate attempt to misrepresent the dynamic.

And all these males say " if I could have transitioned younger it would have been better"
Yet they say that with the benefit of having been able to fully developed mentally physically and neurologically. All things that these drugs take away. The brain doesn't fully developed until your twenties. The truth is they dont know what would have happened if they had done it sooner. What we do know is that puberty blockers cause a drop in IQ and affect brain development. The stop the body developing. So all these adults who transitioned , had a full size penis . They didnt have to have some patchwork job done to create a vagina. They also have the benefit of a husband or wife. Of a family. All things that starting early would have taken away from them.

They have nothing to lose. They are adults making a choice and knowing what they are giving up.

Thes children however.. lose everything.

And all these males say " if I could have transitioned younger it would have been better"
Yet they say that with the benefit of having been able to fully developed mentally physically and neurologically.

and sexually which is relevent in considering the drivers of those males affected by AGP.

Yes you are right I should have put that in too!

Also its probably relevant that many are also in employment positions or education positions that wouldnt have been quite so accessible had they grown up female