FOI request to GIDS reveals referral rate for girls is 3x that of boys

[OrchidInTheSun]

Thank you Transgender Trend for getting the data.

Where the hell is Mordaunt's promised enquiry? Or has she forgotten about that in the heap of cookies she's getting from Stonewall

And does that demonstrate an evening out of numbers for late transitioners or an overflow from these teenagers turning 18 in the last few years?

last one as work you know when your in a community and your friends who are experiencing this are telling you something you tend to believe them. if you don't know anyone in thst community maybe you ask them what is happening not make assumptions about it though maybe the stats don't show it. I tend to listen to the trans men I know who work a lot in this area

have a lovely day

Listening to people’s personal experiences is not a substitute for facts. You assert that there are increasing number of late transitioning trans men to even out the numbers but can’t provide any evidence for that other than “I know some people and I listen”.

It’s just another example of how facts don’t seem to matter any more.

Does look like a seasonal trend - big spikes in first term of the school year?

Then summer.

I'd like to know stats for the de transitioned.

@MoreCookiesPlease

There is considerable concern that this sharp increase in referrals is due to a range of other factors these young women are experiencing- undiagnosed asd, trauma from assaults, difficulties 'fitting in' with overtly sexualised Instagram culture or confusion over sexuality, and could be dealt with in other ways.

Taking hormones at a young age is experimental science; some evidence it does change/damage the brain and causes long term changes and damage to the body and sexual organs.

80% of children and teens desist if allowed the time to explore identity and sexuality and offered other mh support and many later realise they are gay. Hormone blockers lead to a path of irreversible transition.

GIDS is the gate keeper service but is under enormous pressure and there are concerns within the organisation that errors are being made.

This is about child protection.

And I've just found a documentary from Sweden saying they're experiencing exactly the same there:

www.svtplay.se/video/22035454/uppdrag-granskning/uppdrag-granskning-sasong-20-the-trans-train

We know lots of people in ‘the community’ Bespin, because we have given birth to them.

That’s why we care.

yes 75 to 80% don't medically transition they find other paths or make other discovery's about who they are and that is brilliant int it. But the others also realise that it is who they are and want to do forwards you respect the 75%s decision not to why not the 25% who feel it's right for them and this decision is never made on a whim and not before assessment and not before a number of months even years so maybe those young people are right too.

Great and what are they telling you BettyDuMonde and if they are telling you are you listening to them and talking with them.

Don't let your children parent you. Its not healthy for them, neither is taking too much responsibility.

Children who don't go on puberty blockers don't typically go on to medically transition. But most of those that do take blockers do. It's a one way ticket to infertitiliy which is being chosen by children who are too young to vote, marry or get a tattoo.

but blockers is medically transitioning so thats the 25% group not the 75% group

No, it isn't considered medically transitioning. It's considered as 'pausing' puberty. Medically transitioning is taking cross sex hormones.

You really know to know what you're talking about if you're going to engage in these discussions bespin

bespin

If it was true then why did Buck Angel have such a hard time finding a dr who could help him when he suffered from major gynae problems ?

If there was a significant amount of late transitioning transmen or indeed transmen who transitioned as children/young adults and are now adults seeking help, then drs would be aware of the problems surely?

He wouldn't have been turned away multiple times or treated by people who admit they have no idea what was really wrong?

OrchidInTheSun I think your wrong on that, but I'm never going to convince you of that so there is little point debating it

Sarah Tancred exellent to see you highlighting trans health care issues we are routinely turned away from Dr's who don't know what is wrong with us because we are trans see trans broken arm sydrome happy for you to highlight this

I thought you were working Bespin. Did you have any luck finding stats on late trans men transitioning or requests for mastectomy?

Health care is precisely why research even into negative outcome is vital. No platforming or abuse of people who have made these discoveries and not exploring issues that may have sparked the whole thing off isnt helpful surely?

What in find ironic is this demand that drs cant even discuss trans status due to the outcry that they are men or women and then wondering why thing go wrong.

You will now admit that niologica sec is important? That levels of hormones etc in the blood have different margins of normal and we need to know whether someone is Male or female in order to treat?

Biological sex

Sorry wet hands

Even if you're right, the 80% ( it's not less than 80 in any reports I've seen) desistance rate is without blockers. Nearly all children who take blockers go on to take x-sex hormones

And yes even with a broken arm it matters. It's not just a case of needing to know whether to out on a pink.or blue bandage .

In this context, gynecological problems are not the same as a broken arm.

You can’t let a kid with Gender Dysphoria make all their own health decisions, Bespin, just like you can’t let a kid with Cancer make it’s own decisions.

Puberty blockers aren’t harmless, and they certainly aren’t treated as such by doctors prescribing them to kids with precocious puberty caused by Cancer/treatments to cancer.

Sarah Tancred I yes it does that is why our campaigns are for people to acknowledge our biological reality I thought you would like that bit because systems did forget that bit and hence we got smear letters and not prostate ones. I have worked with gps to try and correct this the same us also true for trans men. we are aware of our biological reality those that in the past have not been have sometimes died because of it, I'd like to prevent that from happening, and I'm sure you would all support a system that catered for trans biology and phyciology.