FOI request to GIDS reveals referral rate for girls is 3x that of boys

[OrchidInTheSun]

Thank you Transgender Trend for getting the data.

Where the hell is Mordaunt's promised enquiry? Or has she forgotten about that in the heap of cookies she's getting from Stonewall

also still at work on my break a few hours left yet.

No one gets prostrate screening letters because there is no prostrate screening in the U.K.

This insta account (drawn by one of the Pique Resilience members) is incredibly moving - I wonder if they’d have any insight as to the seasonal stuff?

instagram.com/detransstories?igshid=1tdghlf1opmwy

BettyDuMonde

yes Betty totally aware of that fact but gps don't even think about it if Your records say female when you present with issues. or if they do it can be too late. so thank you for dismissing that fact just because you feel its not importent and not proving your point

BECuase female means female, related to the type of body that typically has a certain set of physical characteristics and behaves typically in a way that is different to the male body, and it’s bloody useful to have a term that means exactly that. Avoids a lot of problems.

Transpeople need to learn that they can be themselves, society should not discriminate against them because of how they present or themselves, but themselves has a particular body type that they are part of. The earth is round, it gives round the sun, and most creatures on earth including the humans belong to one of two sexes for the species-purpose of healthy reproduction

loving people's support on here for trans health issues and look forwards to your continued support in getting gps to recognise our biological realities your Support is totally valued.

Did you see this article, Bespin?

medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-bb86b0c3ebb

If the NHS ignores gender, well yes, it may hurt a person’s feelings, and it may get sued. But if it ignores sex, people might actually die.

Following the legal recognition of gender mandated by the Gender Recognition Act the NHS made plans to keep a record of both.

But some hospitals are now only recording gender, and ignoring sex.

I think it’s the transcommunity that needs to change not gps.dont put female as your sex when it isn’t.

Of course we support trans health care . Why wouldn't we

Believe it or not this is why we are questioning things and want everyone to be In possession of the facts before deciding on a path. Fertility, bone density , atrophy of female reproductive organs,ong term effects of the drugs used off label as puberty blockers, long term effects of cross sex hormones etc you cant claim it's not a mental.health issue on one hand then.use suicide as an excuse not to research stuff with the.other. mentally stable people do not commit suicide. So which is it?

Once given the cancer drugs to halt puberty that's it. That child will be forever on that pathway to sterility and not having the chance to enjoy sex when they reach adult hood. So dont we owe it to these children to be sure? To make sure that external.influences, the forcing of stereotypes onto children and telling children who dont conform that they must alter their bodies to do so, have been.thoroughly researched and discounted.

Dont you find it a worry that someone who is not medically trained is advising people in treatment options that have no long term.research behind them?

Everyone who raises these questions is shouted down as a transphobe. We arent. But when the Impact on the bodies of these vulnerable people is permanent and drs do not know what to expect 20 years down the line and they are flying blind to the detriment of the patients then people deserve to know this.

And even trans people who are standing up and saying " hang on a minute " they are also booted off Twitter etc

Policies etc have been changed without thinking if basics such as if the sex recorded is a lie then someone will die. Thats not transphobic.

gps to recognise our biological realities

Health care professionals can only recognise their patients' biological realities if their patients are honest with them. A TW who insists on having every reference to their birth sex removed from their medical records and replaced with female is not being honest and frankly only has themselves to blame if they end up with inappropriate treatment.

I do not believe any GP who has a TW as a patient would treat them any other way but according to their biological reality - as a general rule of thumb GPs like being able to successfully treat their patients.

I totally support trans people accessing good healthcare bespin. I have huge worries about long term use of cross sex hormones on bodily health plus there are big issues with the wrong dosage being given to trans people. I read a really awful article in a medical journal about a transman not disclosing their trans status to their medical team and nearly dying as a result of that.

Humans can't change sex. Telling them they can is dangerous

@NeurotrashWarrior, thank you for taking the time to respond. I genuinely was confused about what these posts under Femnisim Chat were talking about.

Yes Betty totally aware of that fact but gps don't even think about it if Your records say female when you present with issues

A male person’s NHS health records only state ‘Female’ if that particular male person has actively applied to change their records to state an untruth.

If you don’t change your ‘sex marker’ you’ll still get appropriate screening letters (but not for prostrate cancer because there is no prostrate screening in the U.K., and I only pointed this out to correct the misinformation you are spreading.

HTH!

As fascinating as bespin's detour about gender markers at the GP and prostate screening has been, how about that massive increase specifically in girls referred to GIDS? Worth investigating, I would have thought. Someone should suggest/get on with it.

Only just read your post too @Thingybob. Thank you for explaining.

Doctors are transphobic if the treat on the basis of sex. But they are also transphobic if they treat on the basis of gender as the quality of diagnosis and treatment will not be equal to everyone else.

It's fine though because trans health want to abolish doctors and just want DIY healthcare.

And we are all the villains because we value quality and ethical equal healthcare for all.

Go figure.

how about that massive increase specifically in girls referred to GIDS

Its especially interesting when compared with the disparity of older females looking to transition

Youd think the numbers would even out over the sexes and ages but they dont

Would suggest obviously that there are different things affecting the need to transition

@MoreCookiesPlease

No problem, this thread is a good explanation of all the subtle and difficult nuances in the debate and worth a read.

Essentially it's about protecting women's rights and child protection.

Break it down for me? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

One of the biggest issues with the TMAM and TWAW mantra is that it then totally ignores the specific sex based medical needs of the sexes.

I didn't start this one someone bought up buck angel I was just answering about that

Yes, Buck Angel, who has faced some pretty horrendous issues because of their female anatomy and the long term effects of unnatural testosterone in it - which is a goal for a lot of those girls in that massively disproportionate amount of female young people thinking they are not female.

the 25% who feel it's right for them and this decision is never made on a whim and not before assessment and not before a number of months even years so maybe those young people are right too.

I've just watched this Sweedish documentary which features two amazing young women who have spoen out about their 'detransitioning' Both had surgical/hormonal interventions when young & both specifically identify the gender identity clinics failure in affirming their gender identity. The women have life long consequences as a result. Its very powerful.

The documentary also includes an interview with Marcus Evans (psychoanalist) who stepped down from Tavistock GIDS board to raise serious Safeguarding concerns about the speed of diagnosis which denies the opportunity to explore the wider issues facing children.

www.svtplay.se/video/22035454/uppdrag-granskning/uppdrag-granskning-sasong-20-the-trans-train

A number of professionals have whistle blown concerns about the way children are being treated at Tavistock GIDS. They also highlighted the impact of pressures on the service by adult TRAs

These serious Safeguarding & Duty of Care concerns featured in recent Times articles:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3553935-Times-article-calls-to-end-transgender-experiment-on-children

Adults working with children & young people who may be questioning their gender identity or in receipt of medical interventions should be following and staying appraised of what will likely be a significant inquiry. When senior medical professionals whistle blow concerns about how children are being treated this should always be carefully considered.

Would suggest obviously that there are different things affecting the need to transition

BMJ
Published 29 October 2018
'Redesigning gender identity services: an opportunity to generate evidence'
authors: Richard Byng, general practitioner and professor in primary care research, Susan Bewley, emeritus professor of obstetrics and women’s health, Damian Clifford, consultant liaison psychiatrist, Margaret McCartney, general practitioner and freelance writer
(extracts)
"A recent feature in The BMJ implied that new services are all that’s needed to improve transgender healthcare. Providing timely, sensitive services for all, including those who decide to not pursue treatment or detransition, is important. But the article did not question the steep rise in referrals of mainly young women or the potential harms of medical overdiagnosis and overtreatment" (continues)

"Regulated medical practitioners should follow a framework of evidence, not simply respond to client expectations. Creating that evidence to inform quality standards is an ethical imperative. We need research to explore the interplays between gender identity, mental health and neurodevelopmental problems, sexual orientation, autogynephilia, and unpalatable gender roles" (continues)

open access link here:
www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4490.full?ijkey=6lX93kQA0lz5YoB&keytype=ref

One difference is that autogynephilia is specifically male & may account for the significant difference of numbers by sex in 'late transitioners'

There seems likely a vast difference in driving factors between teenage females & middle aged males who identify as transgender.

There seems likely a vast difference in driving factors

Much better way of saying it

Seems bloody obvious to me and many others on here I'm sure

Seems bloody obvious to me and many others on here I'm sure

Seems less obvious to some middle aged male transpeople though.
Maybe sex matters?

Maybe sex matters?

I think maybe it does...