Straight men learning to "cope" with transwomen's bodies

[Lamaha]

Yes, finally! They are going after the men. Some weekend entertainment:
www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/03/transgender-activist-straight-men-should-work-through-non-attraction-to-transgender-women?utm_content=buffer949cf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=glennbeck&fbclid=IwAR1b0p17JfvbGJxs9SjY_Q05KqUapC5Q_Nofm_f3WUj86vslsAHYAASnknY

Watch now as men begin to see that transideology affects them, too, and start to trans peak en masse.

The blindness and entitlement is beyond belief. Apparently there are incredible numbers of straight men who want us but refuse to ever admit to it, and cover it with transphobia

Here's the twitter thread, for a good laugh: twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/881284028548173824

' I also don't believe the blanket claim of "straight men don't want to be with someone who has a dick!" '

if the stats don't say it then I guess it doesn't happen

Er, deaths in the UK (and in most other countries) are a matter of open public record, easily found on Google.

And that still has nothing whatever to do with all the many, many things wrong with expecting straight men and lesbians to 'learn to cope' with TW's bodies in order to provide them with sex.

And that still has nothing whatever to do with all the many, many things wrong with expecting straight men and lesbians to 'learn to cope' with TW's bodies in order to provide them with sex

Quite. What I find very interesting about this whole thing, is that trans people apparently think that whats inside someones head is more important than their sex. Or so they claim. How come in that case, 'trans lesbians' tend to want actual lesbians rather than someone else with a penis who is obviously completely female and its bigoted to say no? (I think Riley had a go at explaining this and said penis was triggering for transwomen, so they get a 'pass' )and 'straight' transwomen do not plump for transmen?

Note, I use transwoman only as I have yet to see a transman speak/act with such sexual entitlement. They probably exist, but seemingly in much smaller numbers, kind of like in sex crime how women abusers exist but are as rare as hens teeth

but if the stats don't say it then I guess it doesn't happen you keep telling yourself that Ah yes! 2 women murdered, measurably, in the UK alone, a week, meh whatabout the potential hurts across the world.

STOP IT!

The OP is not about whataboutery. Why not simply engage with the OP instead of derailing with such hacknied tripe?

Look if someone expresses a sexual interest in me and I’m not feeling it then I’ll politely decline. No need to actively hurt anyone’s feelings. If someone wants a complex analysis of why they rejected them they are probably not going to like the answer.

I mean never say never I guess maybe I’ll wake up tomorrow and suddenly discover I’m a repressed Gay man or find trans women sexually attractive, but currently I don’t and I’m not apologising for it either!

I had this discussion with a friend going through the trans experience and they bristled when I said I had never thus far been sexually attracted to trans women. Whilst they tried to challenge me on it I shrugged and said I’m happy with who I am and that if they couldn’t accept me as I am they were denying me the very respect and acceptance they claimed they wanted from me. That seemed to resolve it.

whats inside someones head is more important

Agree, Goal . And yet it's what's inside the trans persons head that is so important. What's inside anyone else's head is a matter of supreme indifference.

Which makes it not about feelings over facts at all, it makes it about unequal power and entitlement, which is the foundation of all abusive relationships.

totally your right heaven forbid that some people might like people for who they are. why would anyone want to be with someone who was made to be ok with them don't we all want to be with someone who loves us as a whole. everyone as the right not to like someone and no one as the right to force someone to like them. But some people do infact more than enough really if that is what you want. if you or other posters on here don't then it's ok too you don't have to no one no matter how much you keep saying it is making you if they are they are breaking the law. what I would like to do is be able to go on a date with someone feel that I didn't need to say as soon as I meet them my life story and then for them to decide from there if they actually like me and not worry that I might get hurt by them physically for embarrassing them. sex by deseption is probably one of the unsafest things you could possibly do, but it happens. maybe a world were that didn't have to happen would be a good one to be in.

Coerced consent to sex does not have to happen in this world or any other. It's a choice when somebody commits a crime like that.

you don't have to no one no matter how much you keep saying it is making you

Did you read the linked article in the OP?

This whole thread is about the abusive inappropriacy of implying that non trans people have no right to enjoyment or choice in sex and must learn to cope with sexually servicing trans people. How many times does this need to be said? It is a fact of the trans movement. The Cotton Ceiling is a thing. Whittle with their many contacts and fingers in pies has openly stated that when a non trans person finds themselves in bed with someone other than whom they thought they were consenting to sex with, they should not have the right to law or complaint or anything at all as their feelings and needs are mere transphobia; the trans person's feelings and need for privacy must trump all.

Women get this 'one level of privilege for me and much lower standards of what you may be entitled to': particularly women who have experienced domestic abuse and violence from men. That differing level of entitlement and complete lack of empathy and reciprocation for a partner is the key foundation of an abusive relationship.

You can try making it about the sad feelings of someone wanting to be wanted for who they are, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with it. This is emphatically not about permitting people to be attracted to whoever they want to be. This is about legitimising homophobia and all kinds of abusiveness, and overwhelming people's consent, boundaries and bodily autonomy. And by 'people' read 'non trans women'.

Not going to happen.

Any man attracted to penises is gay whether he admits it or not.

It’s denial based on internalised homophobia.

Not content to trans away the gay by reassigning their own gender, they are trying to trans away the gay in their non-trans partners.

I don't think straight men can work through it and learn to enjoy sucking ladycock any more than young gay men growing up in ultra conservative religious communities can "pray away the gay".

you are literally the ones taking away someone's right to self identify there sexuality while accusing others of doing the same thing. I have meet Stright men that date trans woman they exist. they would never say they were gay is keano reeves gay he dated a trans woman, or is it only if she is pre op you think that. because you have never meet these people you think they don't exsist.

IIRC the terminology correctly, the right to have sex is a ‘negative right’, meaning the law doesn’t have the right to prevent you having sex, so long as your adult partner(s) consent.

It’s not a ‘positive right’ in that society is not obliged to provide you with sex in the way it is obliged to provide food, shelter, healthcare or protection from crime.

You can’t change sex so ‘pre-op’ and ‘post-op’ are irrelevant. If you are attracted to the same sex you are gay, or at least bisexual.

so you want to remove someone's right to self identify there sexuality then?

So you want to remove someone's right to self identify there sexuality then
They can identify however they want, but that doesn't mean they're right.
Same sex attracted - homosexual
Opposite sex attracted - heterosexual
Both sex attracted - bisexual.
Of course some people might be in denial, or just be untruthful, but that won't alter the facts. There might be a tiny bit of a grey area for people who try a same sex encounter, they used to call that bi-curious, and I'm sure it happens in reverse as well.

is Keano Reeves gay well he's never come out as gay, but he's never said he's straight either.If he's dated a transwoman he's gay or bisexual unless he decided it wasn't for him of course. How would we know, he's quite a private person.

One of the things I admire about the FRW board is that posters write so well. Punctuation, proper (short) sentences, short words, paragraphs, no random capitalisation, no ranting incoherent word salads.

I notice that some recent posts on this thread seem to have lost this admirable quality. And yes, I think it matters, because when people can’t express their thoughts coherently, that almost invariably means they’re not thinking coherently either.

so you want to remove someone's right to self identify there sexuality then

If you're an XX shagging another XX or an XY shagging another XY, you're not having heterosexual sex. That's material reality.

You can call yourself whatever you like. It doesn't have to be accurate or connected with material reality and nobody is taking anything away from you when they describe material reality.

But isn't this a kind of false representation .
If you are not told by your partner they are not as they seem, then they are taking away your rights to certain expectations...

they would never say they were gay

A crossword clue:

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Ah yes, the bizarre moral equivalency argument that says coercing someone into sex under false pretences is just dandy if you're trans, but if you dare point out to a man that having sex with another man is a homosexual act, and a male who believes himself to be a woman that he isn't a lesbian if he has sex with women then you are a terribly cruel bigot.

Kiss my arse, Cheshire cat, Queen of Hearts, whoever you identify as, applauding rapey shit will remain disgusting, and correctly assessing certain physical acts as heterosexual or homosexual will remain a simple description of reality.

Have a jam tart

Because I'm on a hook up website, I see a lot of male profiles that state that they are happy to meet trans people (hook up websites or at least the one I'm on is fairly old school about vocab so they usually refer to TS or TV). They tend not to specify about whether this includes transmen.

Some want to meet men as well but not all. Certainly some men do regard meeting a transwoman as the same as meeting a woman. A live body performing femininity is enough. I would be interested to know how many if the exclusively heterosexual ones actually do meet transwomen.