Straight men learning to "cope" with transwomen's bodies

[Lamaha]

Yes, finally! They are going after the men. Some weekend entertainment:
www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/03/transgender-activist-straight-men-should-work-through-non-attraction-to-transgender-women?utm_content=buffer949cf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=glennbeck&fbclid=IwAR1b0p17JfvbGJxs9SjY_Q05KqUapC5Q_Nofm_f3WUj86vslsAHYAASnknY

Watch now as men begin to see that transideology affects them, too, and start to trans peak en masse.

The blindness and entitlement is beyond belief. Apparently there are incredible numbers of straight men who want us but refuse to ever admit to it, and cover it with transphobia

Here's the twitter thread, for a good laugh: twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/881284028548173824

Zinnia is another peak trans sherpa

Their kiwi thread runs into hundreds of pages

Asked my husband, a lefty kind of guy who basically thinks that trans women are women, if he would go to bed with a trans woman with full male genitalia. Errr - no.

Asked my husband, a lefty kind of guy who basically thinks that trans women are women, if he would go to bed with a trans woman with full male genitalia. Errr - no.

On that basis perhaps he should reassess his original premise.

start to trans peak en masse.

Straight men don't need to peak trans en masse, most of them are gender critical without even realising it's a thing.

Yeah cannot see this being too widespread as yeah TRAs are ignorant on the whole and one track minded, however most are brighter than Zinnia. If you kep the pressure on the women, everything will be fine. Even TRAs realise that they would get nowhere with men.

How insanely narcissistic do you have to be to believe that your sexual partner should not selfishly wish for pleasure or attraction, merely force themselves to meet your needs with their body? That a sexual encounter is all about a subordinate's duty to service you?

Run a mile from someone who treats you like this, for fucks sake never get involved with them, never mind get into a bed with them. This is text book abusiveness combined with major personality disorder.

It is the law (sex by deception). Unsurprisingly Stonewall are campaigning against it.

Can anyone point me in the direction of Stonewall directly criticising the law?

Only that's straight lobbying.

I am always fascinated when you discover something that our community as discussed for years and years, and how you persive that we see it. some men have and will always be attracted to trans woman it is a large part of adult pornograpghy and trans woman around the world make up a percentage of sex workers so someone must be wanting them. Also culturly in other country's we are considered differently. if you look at the murder rate these are often sex workers or other trans woman in relationships with men and the stories that are around them are that people found out that the man like a trans woman and he killed them for it. see American examples of this, this topic as been one of our biggest concerns for all the years I can remeber, it comes up in the mainstream only when a famous man gets court with a trans woman see Hugh grant or Eddie Murphy. more recently that as been positive see keano reeves.

to think that we are not concerned about this the thing that gets us killed the most in the world like other women disingenuous. I would much rather be fighting that and better health care provision than this day in day out.

Bespin we already know that, thanks. Lou Reed 'married' a transwoman in the '70s, others dated them
That's not what is being discussed here though. Those people chose to be with transwomen, they didn't have to learn to 'cope' wjth them, because they were already attracted to transwomen. It was called being bisexual then, though not all bisexual men liked TW, some were only interested in masculine presenting men.
No need for the history lesson though, some of us have probably been around for a bit longer than you. It's simply about choice, not coercion.

Well thats me told then. have a lovely day also thanks for thinking I'm younger than I am it's always nice to get a compliment lol

I don’t know any trans women at least I don’t think I do. Is a trans woman’s body just a mans body being called something else?

You have a nice day too Bespin

Yes, User, though sometimes with artificial opposite-sex hormones or surgery involved for a somewhat feminized appearance.

Surgery might be genital or boobs only or face, but as I understand it, no bodily modification is needed for someone to be considered ‘trans’.

@DodoPatrol
Thank you.

This whole thing confuses me. Are they saying that men, straight men, should have to get used to/comfortable with/not be horrified by having sex with 'women' who still have penises or 'women' who at some point in their lives were men?

to think that we are not concerned about this the thing that gets us killed the most in the world like other women

But not in the UK. Safer in the UK, right? What with the figures bearing this out an' all.

Yes that's it exactly.

Because otherwise men are admitting there's a difference and that's transphobic now.

And these people who are demanding this are special because?

So confused...
Your a man you date a transwoman, find out she is pre op...Finish relationship. As you wanted a wife and family...
You find out it,'s post op... You can have a family. But your sleeping with a biological male so is this now a gay relationship?.
Woman dates another woman ..lesbian.
Woman dates pre op trans woman ... That would be normal relationship as full sex.
Dates post op... So what is that?

gets us killed the most in the world like other women

Bit of forced teaming going on there I see.

What statistics please? What country? Lets separate those statistics out into sex workers and what proportion of women die in sex work and what proportion of TW die in sex work and lets see if that shows a disproportionate imbalance? Because in the UK women are killed at a rate of 2 per week by their partners alone, and TW women..... aren't.

Incidentally those women, dying at a rate of 2 a week, barely make the papers never mind the national news, are losing their rights to underfunded and overstretched refuges being forced to give more resources and beds to men by taking them away from women, police often don't turn out to a call from a woman being attacked in the course of DV and courts don't do much to protect women or their children from harm and death from abusive exes with a violent history. Spot the oppressed group here: no one talks about them, values them, cares about them, they have no real or effective protection under existing law, and everyone's pretty much ok with women dying in the UK.

As you're demonstrating, when women even talk about it, the immediate focus is switched to but what about the poor men?

And what does this have to do with the utter revolting concept that a non trans person should not have an expectation of pleasure, or choice, or equality in a sexual relationship with a trans person, but must force themselves to provide sexual services? How on earth is that justifiable or even sane?

mummy you're making the mistake of trying to apply logic to the situation. Unfortunately there is none.

There's plenty of women explaining that when their cross dressing DH took a step further forward into transition, they were told they had now become a lesbian, because DH now identified as a woman.

The fact that DH remains physically male, and the woman has no attraction to female only bodies is irrelevant. The woman is now required to celebrate her lesbianism because that validates her DH's personal choices and feelings.

It's that batshit. It's that oblivious to the feelings and needs and rights of others. It's that narcissistic and it really does lack that much empathy.

So where does consent come in? Because I've told my DCs, female and male not to do anything they don't want to, their partner doesn't want to or even anything that makes them uncomfortable.

Am I now expected to tell DS that if he doesn't agree to have sex/get intimate with someone who 'identifies' as female, regardless of what 'they' are packing he's in the wrong?

no I'm glad not in the UK we get beaten or a good kicking or abused in our local community but we don't get killed so I'm greatful for that I suppose. again the number of trans woman that have been assaulted by men is under reported I would feel as are most sexualised assaults or hate crimes for that matter. but if the stats don't say it then I guess it doesn't happen you keep telling yourself that.