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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Autism and gender NAS conference

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FemaleAndLearning · 25/04/2019 23:54

Interesting conference being held by the National Autistic Society. Speakers are pro trans I would say.
Facebook comments are interesting and NAS have issued a warning to block people!
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155901417116599&id=28389691598

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SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 27/04/2019 11:26

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Italiangreyhound · 27/04/2019 11:26

SpartacusAutisticusAHF thank you. I'm s slow typer and it wasn't there when I started post!!

BettyDuMonde · 27/04/2019 11:28

My son was a late diagnosis (although I had been pushing for assessment for years, he was diagnosed first with dyspraxia, then ADHD, then finally ASD at 13). I went on a course for parents with newly diagnosed kids - they only run the one for late diagnosis a few times a year - out of 30plus families, we were the only ones with a boy.

Subsequently, a lot of the course (and the parents questions) was particularly relevant to girls - it was explained to us that girls were often able to sufficiently cope/adapt (mask?) during childhood, but at adolescence, when bodies begin to change and gender rules become more sharply defined (girls being expected to care about their appearance, for example) ASD girls became confused, distressed, and/or withdrawn/defiant.

One of the reasons my son was diagnosed late was because he didn’t exhibit the stereotypical special interest stuff (trainspotting, numbers on lampposts etc). He’s always had obsessive interests, but has picked things that have allowed him to fly under the radar, things perceived as cool by neurotypical peers (skateboarding, learning to play guitar, Kurt Cobain, and the worst one of all in terms of intensity/difficulty to cope with, his first proper girlfriend).

Many of the parents course attendees described similar.

Is anyone considering attending this conference? It’s expensive but I think it’s important that there is a GC presence, if only to observe and report back.
I’m wondering if it’s feasible for me (I qualify for the parent/career ticket price).

Italiangreyhound · 27/04/2019 11:32

Cab you link to the "parent/career ticket price, pleaae?"

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 27/04/2019 11:36

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BettyDuMonde · 27/04/2019 11:41

The rate for ‘autistic individuals, parents, families, carers’ isn’t advertised on this page, but if you click through using ‘book now’ it’s offered as an option:

learn.autism.org.uk/ehome/index.php?eventid=200187214&

(Screenshot to show prices)

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KatvonHostileExtremist · 27/04/2019 11:49

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110505103241.htm

I saw this on another thread.
It's a Cambridge university study and it essentially backs up everything we are saying. I want to know the evidence disproving this? We've moved from the Cambridge university position, which seems screamingly obvious to me, to a position which says girls are boys if they feel that. Regardless of whether they have other issues or are neuro diverse.

Terrifies me this.

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Apollo440 · 27/04/2019 11:50

If I remember correctly the NAS initially took down a link to Mermaids after concerns were raised. I think that has led to TRAs targeting them and now they've gone the same way as Girl Guides and NSPCC. I wonder if they'll now resist calls for research into Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria and ASD? Since these may be early days of their capture it might be an idea to question them on this and see if it might highlight the harm in allying with Trans ideology.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 27/04/2019 11:52

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TheBullshitGoesOn · 27/04/2019 14:35

I understand Spartacus. It has just got me thinking.

I wasn't diagnosed until my late 40s (and hadn't even considered it a possibility until my mid 40s). I never thought to get involved with charities such the NAS as I 'coped' for so long I would feel like a fraud getting involved. But maybe I should get involved so teenage girls on the spectrum can see that there is an alternative to the TRA- pushed path.

Goosefoot · 27/04/2019 14:58

There are developmental differences in neurotypical girls and boys in the early school years as well, girls on average are farther ahead in language skills, and reading, than boys - boys who happen to be slow developing can be really immature compared to even the average girl. It seems like that may also be common with autistic kids. I would think this could affect how boys and girls were perceived in the earlier years by teachers and parents and could easily cover autistic symptoms in girls.

NettleTea · 27/04/2019 16:00

total;ly agree. wasnt diagnosed til last year (at age 51) after daughter (age 15 at time) and son(age 10 at time) were diagnosed
I was reading at 2 1/2 and was considered a very bright kid who got 'lazy' as puberty hit. always hanging with boys and rejected/frightened by the popular girly girl. Would 100% have gone down the trans route as even as late as 2000 I still thought I probably had a mans brain (men from Mars time period!) and def wasnt like other women.
And extra especially if trans identity offered me some sort of special status

Craftybint45 · 16/05/2019 16:01

I'm sort of looking forward to this tomorrow, sort of dreading it. How many here are going?

NeurotrashWarrior · 17/05/2019 18:27

How has this gone?

deydododatdodontdeydo · 17/05/2019 18:31

DD is autistic and is probably the most GC person you'd ever meet.
Everything is very black and white to her.
Males are males, females are females.
Hope it doesn't get her into trouble in future.

notnowdennis · 17/05/2019 18:42

Twitter has some commentary under #autismgender

Thingybob · 17/05/2019 23:53

Craftybint

I've seen a few tweets like this one suggesting that GC attendees were not made welcome today.

twitter.com/sakura_bethan/status/1129484096017764353

I hope the day wasn't too distressing for you and would welcome your feedback on the event when you have the time.

Thingybob · 17/05/2019 23:56

Oh good grief, I've just seen this slide they used today

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OrchidInTheSun · 18/05/2019 00:29

WTAF? 🤬🤬

Ereshkigal · 18/05/2019 00:53

Just wow.

TabbyStar · 18/05/2019 06:11

If you follow thingy's link, the "protest* appears to be a windmill with autism who was a delegate who was repeatedly passed over to respond to the nonsense. Good for her, she's being very eloquent on Twitter. Those intersex slides are also a crime against graphic design. The whole thing sounds painful.

AlwaysComingHome · 18/05/2019 08:57

That slide: a ‘phallometer’?

Jesus wept.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 18/05/2019 09:52

Ah, the fabled clit/penis measurement scale, because the only difference between girls and boys is the size of the wang...

placemats · 18/05/2019 10:02

My son is autistic and gender critical. He has every sympathy with the trans community. He is a person who will call out unfair and hateful behaviour and sees very little of this from those who are gender critical. Stating biological facts is not hate speech.

No doctor confirmed my three children's sex - all of which could be determined via scans at around 12 weeks.

That scale is disgusting.

Thingybob · 18/05/2019 10:20

Social media reports of what happened are so sad and highlight how extremely vulnerable the autistic community are.

The slide above was originally designed about 30 years ago as a satirical graphic to highlight unnecessary surgical interventions on intersex children.

This appears to have been used yesterday by a Doctoral Research Fellow in a presentation that gave an overview of the scientific literature on the formation of gender identity.

A GC, autistic woman challenged the validity of this resource during a Q&A at the end of the conference

This caused one (or more) autistic people present to become distressed and there are calls for the questioner to be reported to the police for hate crime!

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