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Jacqueline Wilson "very worried" about gender surgery and hormones for children

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ThinkIveFoundYourMarbles · 23/04/2019 07:41

https://apple.news/AkW03ywkSS_auVBEKsgSPHw

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Lumene · 24/04/2019 09:27

Hurrah. Thank you!

AbsintheFriends · 24/04/2019 09:48

We met her at a signing once and my dds were mesmerised by her rings too, shins. Love your description of her.

We were right at the end of the queue (in our very run down, unglamorous town - her visit was the most exciting thing that had happened within my dds lifetimes!) She'd been signing for 4 or 5 hours by the time it was our turn. I said something like 'you must be exhausted' but she didn't let her smile slip for a moment and batted it aside, saying not at all - that she loved meeting them and it was an absolute pleasure. She then went on to chat to them for a few minutes. I realised afterwards that I had been doing that thing of talking as adults above the children's heads, and she had totally resisted it. She genuinely is absolutely centred on children.

WeepingWillowWeepingWino · 24/04/2019 10:01

she is centred on girls. And the TRAs hate that.

AlwaysComingHome · 24/04/2019 10:27

It's in the DM today.

I know people here criticise the Mail for its politics but these days their formatting pisses me off more.

Reading it on my iPhone is like playing ‘spot the text’.

RuffleCrow · 24/04/2019 10:35

It's always the same people who are so quick to point out cross sex hoemones and surgery are illegal under 18 in the UK so nahnanah who are the same ones campaigning for those safeguards to be abolished.

pachyderm · 24/04/2019 11:21

Jane "wipe your hard drive" Fae having a go on Twitter.

shudder

stays quiet to avoid deletion

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/04/2019 11:50

The so-called writer themself?

LangCleg · 24/04/2019 11:57

she is centred on girls. And the TRAs hate that

Yep.

WhereYouLeftIt · 24/04/2019 16:39

Dearie me! Looks like the Telegraph are bending the knee. If you click on the link above, it redirects to another story by another journalist with a very different headline!

The first photo is from the original story, now only available from an archive ( archive.fo/cRsrS#selection-1997.1-1997.90 ). The second is what they've replaced it with.

Jacqueline Wilson "very worried" about gender surgery and hormones for children
Jacqueline Wilson "very worried" about gender surgery and hormones for children
WhereYouLeftIt · 24/04/2019 16:46

Text of the story no longer on the Telegraph's website:

By Jamie Johnson
23 APRIL 2019 • 7:00AM

Dame Jacqueline Wilson says the idea of children having gender altering surgery or hormone therapy makes her “very, very worried,” as she says they can "feel strongly for a while and then change their minds”.

The bestselling author revealed in an interview with The Telegraph that she would consider writing about a trans character, but only “If there was a really strong reason.”

She said that “I wouldn’t want people to think I’d jumped on the bandwagon just because it’s current and in the news.”

The 73-year-old, who wrote the Tracy Beaker series, said: “Some people, right from the time that they are toddlers, are aware that something is wrong and they wish that they could be the other sex. But I’m also aware that some children feel strongly for a while and then change their minds.

“I think it’s a decision that has to be left a while until you are utterly mature and utterly certain you know all the actual consequences.

“Where I would be very, very worried is young children taking any kind of drugs, hormones or whatever, the long-term effects of which we don’t know.

“And the whole idea of having major surgery… if you’re a young child it’s not a question of just having bits of you lopped off. It’s really serious, difficult surgery, which can have pretty devastating consequences, I would imagine. It’s nothing to be taken lightly.

“If only everybody could be and act exactly the way they want to but not try to change themselves physically, I think that would be easier,” she said.

Earlier this month, a social media storm engulfed Irish writer John Boyne over his new book ‘My Brother's Name is Jessica’.

The novel is about a boy named Sam whose older brother, Jason, comes out as transgender, changes their name to Jessica and becomes Sam’s sister.
Some members of the transgender community hit out at the author for the books title, saying Mr Boyne had misgendered Jessica by calling her sam’s “brother”.

Speaking in London, Boyle, who wrote The Boy in the Striped Pijamas, said he was forced to quit social media after "two or three days of constant abuse from people who had not read the book.

“I got a message warning me to be very careful of going out alone,” he told the Irish Independent.

“There were other messages which commented offensively on my looks, my sexuality, my writing, anything they could to try to hurt me."

WhereYouLeftIt · 24/04/2019 16:49

They've forgotten to remove the link from Jamie's page.

WhereYouLeftIt · 24/04/2019 16:50

www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/jamie-johnson/

It redirects, of course, so you can't access it.

Jacqueline Wilson "very worried" about gender surgery and hormones for children
KatvonHostileExtremist · 24/04/2019 16:58

I wonder why they did that? Changing the story?
The story's out there anyway. Penis News covered it and all the incels built a big fire to chuck the old lady t*rf on. Etc etc. Standard behaviour.

pachyderm · 24/04/2019 17:41

mobile.twitter.com/mamasgirlcharm/status/1121088537779220480

Someone sent her an email and got a reply. I hope she doesnt apologise.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 24/04/2019 17:55

I thought she worded that response with great eloquence.

BettyDuMonde · 24/04/2019 18:35

I would imagine the story has been changed after JW’s powerful agent got on the phone to the editor and demanded to know why a politically contentious headline had been made from an answer to a blind sided question!

I agree that her response was eloquent - calm, respectful, but no retraction made.

SpeakUpXXWomen · 24/04/2019 20:00

Well if her editor gets wind of this thread, know that sales are going to improve with the backing of the women of mumsnet!

Her response is great. Well done J.W.

Bowlofbabelfish · 25/04/2019 08:34

Good on her. She’s secure enough and hopefully rich enough from selling a billion books to not give a flying fuck about appeasing the TRA. Sensible, measured opinion - ‘let kids be kids and let’s not rush to any surgery’ should NOT be a controversial opinion.

If you’re on here, JW, Don your flameproof cardie, you’re going to get heaps of howling abuse from TRAs. Tell them to do one (but more eloquently, of course) ;)

And yes, the NHS does give out blockers early. And once you’re on blockers, you’re on that path permanently. Almost no child given blockers desists. To say the NHS doesn’t give out surgery early is disingenuous- once a kid is on blockers they’re on that path for life. Blockers are basically a prep for surgery. The process is set in motion.

youllhavehadyourtea · 25/04/2019 08:44

Maybe it was a silly middle aged moment - you know the kind that women authors seem to have.

FamilyOfAliens · 25/04/2019 08:50

I’m sick to the back teeth of people with fuck-all else to do bullying women into silence and denying them the right to express their legitimate concerns about the rights of girls.

I'm going to order a JW book and donate it to our school library. Non-violent action is the best antidote.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/04/2019 08:54

JW was once a girl. She may me the mum and gran to girls.

Those howling have/will have none of the above experience. Who are they to comment on what is good for girls? And they mostly speak about little boys or ponder the periods of little girls (not suspicious at all).

Tinkoschminko · 25/04/2019 08:58

I am absolutely certain that, behind the scenes, she’s already pitched that book.

This is great.

nettie434 · 25/04/2019 09:13

There’s a post about this now on the Spectator Coffee House Blog:

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/jacqueline-wilson-was-right-to-be-wary-of-wading-into-the-trans-debate/

ChattyLion · 25/04/2019 10:05

This from the spectator:

Whether or not she was aware that surgery can’t currently take place on under-18s, Wilson was making a point about the direction of travel in the trans debate: if hormone blocking drugs are currently given to children then would surgery soon be an option too? And do children possess the maturity to make these decisions at a young age?

Sorry but yes it is my understanding that surgery can (in theory) happen to under 18s. Not SRS (sex reassignment) surgery but extraction of eggs surgically before fertility is blasted away by blockers and hormones. For kids who have been allowed to go through puberty that is.

I would suggest also (don’t know facts on this though) that for pre pubertal children there will be a push for- if this is not happening already- ovarian or testicular tissue to be extracted for the same reasons. Because they are not old enough to be already making these and to enable genetic parenthood in future.

SRS is not the only relevant surgery.

Also I would want to know- from what age in the UK double mastectomies are being performed from?

Not sure how we find out these stats.

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