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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Morgane Oger calls out JY

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Nephilim1964 · 20/04/2019 18:03

Never in a million years did I think I'd see this....

'Preying on children makes you a predator regardless of who you are'

'I wish it wasn’t a transgender person or someone saying they are part of the LGBTQ+ community who has been doing what Jessica Yaniv has reportedly been doing for years – as far back as 2013'

morganeoger.ca/2019/04/19/preying-on-children-makes-you-a-predator-regardless-of-who-you-are/

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GeordieGenes · 20/04/2019 19:18

Sadly, this probably means there's something unforgivable about to come out about Yaniv... Sad

MenuPlant · 20/04/2019 19:20

Just reading it

This is interesting

', I would not be surprised to learn the proportion of miscreants who are transgender is higher than the general population. It usually is with oppressed groups.'

Women as a group are oppressed globally and don't commit crime at higher rates.

Some places where eg prostitution abortion driving whatever are illegal (for women), women especially ones who are also poor etc are caught/targeted by the law more but still I doubt at higher rates than men.

MO taking about oppressed groups is not including women /girls are they. They are thinking of men who experience lesson...

BettyDuMonde · 20/04/2019 19:22

I fear you are right, Geordie

Will go lurk kiwifarms...

MenuPlant · 20/04/2019 19:23

' I urged each woman to make a complaint with police on the basis of the things they said happened.'

Seriously? Report a transwoman for historic sex related crimes? In Canada? I mean reporting bog standard men gets you no where they'd get called liars and transhobic liars to boot. By people like MO...

MenuPlant · 20/04/2019 19:25

'Regardless of anyone’s race, gender identity, sexual orientation, or other characteristic protected from discrimination, everyone is equally accountable for any harm we do'

Sex not included, note.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/04/2019 19:26

Someone is just trying to put some distance between their own nose and a particularly pungent fart. That is all. Don’t want to be tainted with the crap-fest that is coming their way.

MenuPlant · 20/04/2019 19:29

'If so, the appropriate place to complain to is your local police. Also notifying a community advocate can’t hurt'

Hahaha again zero understanding of the dynamics at play. Just report them! Easy!

Not surprising from someone who has worked so tirelessly to shut down a women only rape crisis centre.

Nephilim1964 · 20/04/2019 19:30

Just had a look at Kiwi Farms Geordie and they're wondering the same thing.

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beagadorsrock · 20/04/2019 19:33

The bit about 'it's your fault if we don't like to face the fact that our lot do bad things' sounds a little like Bradley's wife's article

Nephilim1964 · 20/04/2019 19:36

I tend to agree..

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Daffopill · 20/04/2019 19:41

Oger can shove it up their arse.

Nephilim1964 · 20/04/2019 19:54

We see him feigning surprise that Yaniv's got away with his perversions for so long. Oger's part of the problem.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/04/2019 20:28

Maybe there is something worse on the cards. They haven’t exactly been secretive about their ‘interests’ have they?

Nephilim1964 · 20/04/2019 20:50

I'll be glad when they've finally been called to account, but sad that it will most likely involve some poor girls who've been abused Sad

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S1naidSucks · 20/04/2019 20:56

For the most marginalised, harassed, bullied, suicidal group in society, Hmm a surprisingly large percentage of them in positions of influence seem to display rather questionable attitudes and behaviour. No doubt that’s the fault of actual females too. Hmm

heresyisthenewblack · 20/04/2019 21:07

Regrettably Alicia’s frustrating experiences led her to write an anti-trangender article on Meghan Murphy’s anti-transgender Feminist Current naming me that impacted this research and and extensively tweeted attacks against the Transgender community. I regret her actions but understand her motivation. It is important to show witnesses of this awful situation empathy. People who observe awful things sometimes react awfully. I hope that as time passes cooler heads will prevail.

Let's remind ourselves of what Alicia wrote:

While I remained steadfast in my beliefs that transgender individuals were vulnerable, and that women should accommodate them, the situation involving Twitter and JY created a tiny crack in my previously impenetrable armour. How was it acceptable that those sounding the alarm about egregious actions were the ones being reprimanded?

In frustration, I contacted Morgane Oger, one of the most public faces of the Canadian transgender community and a Vice President of the British Columbia NDP, the province’s ruling party. Oger suggested we speak over the phone, an offer I considered quite generous. We spoke for almost an hour, and Oger listened to my concerns, telling me that other women had reached out regarding JY’s behaviour as well. Oger stated that it would be fruitless to bring such concerns to law enforcement unless there was concrete, verifiable evidence to present them with. I was encouraged to find possible sources and to get in touch if I found any. Based on our conversation, I felt Oger was troubled by the accusations that were being made against JY and was taking them seriously.

During our call, Oger mentioned an event that had occurred a few days earlier at the Vancouver Public Library, discussing gender identity ideology and women’s rights. While I was not at the presentation and could not comment on what occurred, I was struck by Oger’s description: “It was like 1933 Berlin.”

My husband and children are Jewish, and I couldn’t stop thinking about this simile, which struck me as extreme, particularly as it was made by a very public representative of a political party.

It was at that point — when I was told challenges to and questions about gender identity ideology in defense of women’s rights were equal to the lead up towards one of the worst genocides in human history — that I had my “WTF?” moment, and I began to tip.

www.feministcurrent.com/2019/04/10/i-supported-trans-ideology-until-i-couldnt-anymore/

Was defunding a women's rape crisis centre not enough for MO? Absolutely agree that this seems like damage control. I also suspect that there is worse to come out. Definitely felt like MO was trying to somehow blame women for this situation. No fucking way. This is about sexual predators, how easy it is for them to say they are trans and demand access to women's spaces, and the fact that they can absolutely hide under the trans umbrella. Who is going to kick them out from under there? MO isn't, that's for sure. IMO there seems to be a complete lack of awareness or responsibility from any transactivists as to the fact that they have created this situation and allowed these people to act with impunity - because every time any woman breathes a word of discomfort with a male in a women's space, or mention concerns about the behaviour of a male who self-identifies as a woman they get screamed at by TRAs and accused of transphobia. JFC! The DARVO is off the goddamned charts.

2BthatUnnoticed · 20/04/2019 21:12

MO knows that predators will use self-ID to abuse children. He does not care. The rights of trans women are more important.

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heresyisthenewblack · 20/04/2019 21:33

Link to Miranda Yardley's piece on JY (from December 2018: so almost 4 months ago now)
mirandayardley.com/en/jonathan-yaniv-is-a-predator/

Related thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3460252-Miranda-Yardley-calls-out-the-predator

happydappy2 · 20/04/2019 21:44

MO is reprehensible in their behaviour, defunding a rape shelter for women, because they don’t allow transwomen is just disgusting-they have no compassion

MenuPlant · 20/04/2019 21:49

Christ.

I think it's really important to remember that men are the highest risk by far, like off the scale far, of perpetuating sexually motivated crimes and their victims are predominantly women and girls, although men and boys are also subjected to these crimes but the MO is often different.

Allowing men into women's and girls spaces on their say so will obviously attract predators.

The statement that women and girls can report if and when they are attacked is useless.

  1. It's too late
  2. Men can creep you out with out doing anythin illegal
  3. Girls and women rarely report

It is an absolute fact that the point of modern trans activism is to allow men into women's and girls spaces for, we all know what for. It's to do with sex.

miri1985 · 20/04/2019 21:51

I knew it was a womans fault all along! Apparently this is because Meghan Murphy and Alicia Hendly "enabled" JY even though they were pointing out all the shit that was going on. Don't get how this is anywhere in the realm of "enabling" but we all knew women would somehow be responsible

Oger knew MM calling out JY was what got her kicked off twitter and still crows about her getting kicked off as a great thing in the article while complaining no one was talking about the abusive behaviour sooner. Loads of people were talking they were just called transphobes and terfs for suggesting that JY was anything other than stunning and brave.

twitter.com/MorganeOgerBC/status/1119652768606605312

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SirVixofVixHall · 20/04/2019 21:59

So it is WOMEN’S fault ? A creepy, predatory man obsessed with young girls and tampons ? Uggh. Oger is vile. As an actual mother of girls in the target age range, rather than someone appropriating motherhood, i find Oger’s timing on this interesting.

KittensinaBlender · 20/04/2019 22:01

When there is a predator among us, we can’t hear you if you bury your words in hatred and if you don’t reach out

Oh well of course it our fault for not saying it “the right way”. Apparently women speaking in plain terms acts as a sort of ‘fluence and cloaks the misdeeds of predatory individuals such as JY to all but snark of mouth gender critical women.

What a egregious bellend.

SirVixofVixHall · 20/04/2019 22:07

Agree Kittens

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