All-males college excludes TW. And they don't like it up 'em!

[BuzzPeakWankBobbly]

Oh this is just gold!

"Morehouse College, the only all-male historically black college in the US, announced that it would begin admitting transgender men next year in a new policy that the college’s board of trustees approved on Saturday. While non-binary and gender non-conforming students will be eligible for admission, trans women will not be, and students who transition or begin to self-identify as female during their tenure at Morehouse will not be eligible to receive a degree from the college."

And guess who is spitting feathers about their innate womanly essence now not being manly enough, that it is "violent" against them, and that they will be "antagonized and expunged"?

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/daveyalba/morehouse-college-transgender-male-students?fbclid=IwAR3AKCA-ZA3mzJtI3TdwfZn0xRNbLhZ6MmWXqzfoY9XQJa0pPJdiRAdWDKU

Choice quotes:

“It appears to be half-baked,” said Tukes, the former co-chair of Morehouse College Safe Space, the school’s alliance for gender and sexual diversities. “And at worst, it is violent and a clear target against trans femmes which includes women and nonbinary femmes.”

In Tukes’ view, the policy would create a hostile environment that implicitly tells certain students that they are not welcome there. “Trans women will be antagonized and expunged from the college,” they said.

And

Tatiana Rafael, a current student at Morehouse College who identifies as a transsexual woman, told BuzzFeed News she believes the policy is discriminatory against trans women students. She said she believed the policy would not affect her ability to graduate because she was "grandfathered in" before the policy would be fully implemented. "[I will] make history as the first fully transitioned woman in the school's 152-year history and the first female on the student record since the 1930s to earn a degree," she said.

It's a sodding men's college! For self identified men. If you are a transwoman, you are no longer self identifying as a man (although of course you biologically remain one). FFS.

Cake and eating it springs to mind.

Ahahahaha

Ha the cognitive dissonance is strong with this one

Yet TW want to be admitted into women's colleges.
& indeed.

In this particular instance I think the college is at fault - it should have stuck to being single sex, not moved to 'single gender'. But so should women's colleges.

Are they demanding that all women should be admitted? Or just the special ones?

And Tatiana as the "first female on the student record since the 1930s to earn a degree...."
Hmmm.

Riiight, so they want to include men, transmen and nonbinary but not women and transwomen.

TRAs say no, "the only acceptable criteria is let everyone in except women" and this is progressive??

Yes I agree that if it’s an all male college all men should be welcome, including those who feel compelled to comply with feminine stereotypes.

Interesting to see the responses though. I wonder how a woman who feels compelled to comply with masculine stereotypes would actually get on there?

Don't get me wrong, the whole thing is all kinds of fucked up righteousness.

But they have instead gone for this and now the one group who theoretically IS entitled to be in a single sex establishment, isn't.

I'm sorrynotsorry to say I found that amusing on a Monday morning, given who the group affected is.

Although I do disagree with the college policy - seems to imply that if you change your mind about how you "present" yourself, you won't get a degree. And since the definition of man/woman seems to have become based on some very shallow markers, that's problematic. A young transman would be discouraged from questioning the path they are on, if their degree depended on it. discouraging detransition and making hormones and future surgery a "commitment" you can't back out of it is very cruel, imo.
And both men and women should be allowed to experiment with different styles (makeup, clothes etc) without risking their education.

implicitly tells certain students that they are not welcome there.

Well, yes, that's true of all single sex schools or colleges, that's kind of the point.

I think the hoisted by own petard-ness is funny, the entitlement not so much.

This from the comments is just mind boggling (unless I'm failing to pick up on piss-taking):

Michael Cullinan
They need to have an affirmative policy in place to admit otherkin, too. You can't exclude them if you want to have a college that really is inclusive and welcoming.

This is making my head spin. It really is. Like arguing with a toddler.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

Sorry, lol and didn't seem quite enough to convey my amusement at AWAs getting to see some real logical consequences for once. Manbabies.

It’s an interesting tack for the college to take actually

Implies that what’s important to them is an absence of stereotypically feminine behaviour, so lots of beards, deep voices, manly stiff upper lips and so on. As surely that’s what a single gender environment is about

I’m sure they will be at the business end of campaigns.

On another note - I was reading through twitter and I get a got of us news stories. There is a lot of coverage of a trans woman getting beaten up (although the story of why isn’t covered - it’s commented that they started the punch up) but only one mention of a pregnant woman who was beaten up by 2 strangers (men) because she vomited in the street (not unusual when pregnant I can tell you). The ‘men’ know she was pregnant as they commented on the pregnancy.

Obviously no one should get bashed up but I’d say beating up pregnant woman is pretty disgusting.

what’s important to them is an absence of stereotypically feminine behaviour, so lots of beards, deep voices, manly stiff upper lips and so on

We've seen this before.

Ha ha. Bernard

It is indeed a college for manly gendered people. In order for them to be all manly together.

But surely if a man is a woman and wants to be treated as a woman then they can’t go to an all male college.

You can’t say you are female and want to be treated as a female then say you are male when it suits.

Doesn’t that just mean you are still male and you can’t change your sex. Which isn’t that the whole point that trans men and women have been arguing they can do.

Its a logical conclusion surely.

They wanted to stay all-male. Because of the cultural climate they knew they would have problems refusing trans-men. If they accepted TWAW, it would be illogical to refuse other women.

Ergo a decision not to allow one group the ability to have their cake and eat it.

Not least it saves them the pain of having to work out what to do with TW athletes who would easily qualify for a women's team but not a mens. (My understanding is that colleges are under a legal obligation to provide equality in terms of access to sport.)

You can't exclude them if you want to have a college that really is inclusive and welcoming.

A single sex (or gender) college doesn't want to be inclusive though!
It's exclusive by definition!

It's exclusive by definition!

Yup, classic case of "literal violence" right there.
Handmaidens, assemble! They have a job for you....

I did one big, not very lady-like snort reading that. Perhaps I could now be admitted to the college.

LOLs!

As soon as it looks as though something might exclude them - perish the very thought! - they start saying femmes not women.

Painfully, painfully transparent.

This is delicious.