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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

All-males college excludes TW. And they don't like it up 'em!

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BuzzPeakWankBobbly · 15/04/2019 07:41

Oh this is just gold! Grin

"Morehouse College, the only all-male historically black college in the US, announced that it would begin admitting transgender men next year in a new policy that the college’s board of trustees approved on Saturday. While non-binary and gender non-conforming students will be eligible for admission, trans women will not be, and students who transition or begin to self-identify as female during their tenure at Morehouse will not be eligible to receive a degree from the college."

And guess who is spitting feathers about their innate womanly essence now not being manly enough, that it is "violent" against them, and that they will be "antagonized and expunged"?

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/daveyalba/morehouse-college-transgender-male-students?fbclid=IwAR3AKCA-ZA3mzJtI3TdwfZn0xRNbLhZ6MmWXqzfoY9XQJa0pPJdiRAdWDKU

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Ereshkigal · 15/04/2019 20:38

Basically whatever the special snowflakes want is what the special snowflakes should get. No rules. even the ones they make up themselves, should apply.

That's it. They do this deliberately to keep everyone walking on eggshells. Because it's about power.

StopThePlanet · 15/04/2019 21:08

Private all-girls/women or all-boys/men schools are exempt from Title IX sex protection as well as sex interpretation or gender identity (TW and TM) and as a result are legally able to restrict their admissions accordingly.

I'm willing to bet that the majority of proud boys/men that attend Morehouse College don't want their classes, dorms, etc. overrun with TW or TM. They have many choices in regards to HBCU (historically black colleges and universities) as well as universities that aren't HBCU that are co-ed to choose from. I expect that if they wanted to attend a co-ed school they would have done so instead of choosing a male-only HBCU.

The TRAs need to leave these guys to their education instead of creating distractions that these guys are likely attempting to avoid by attending a male-only HBCU. Morehouse College's mission is "develop men with disciplined minds who will lead lives of leadership and service", categorically exclusive to men. Considering their exemptions I don't understand why they are bending the rules to include TM (I believe it is a huge mistake, there is no reason to blur the lines and no law instructs them to do so).

scotsheather · 15/04/2019 21:21

I'm actually quite saddened at the college tbh. Single sex should mean exactly that, not telling either sex they are suddenly not that sex if they ''suddenly identify' as another. No-one has a clear objective definition of 'identify as' or 'live as' a particular sex.

The TRA response is as priceless as its laughable though.

StopThePlanet · 15/04/2019 21:25

Total hypothetical but...

I would be monumentally pissed if I attended a female-only institution and found a male or TW in my classes/dorms/sports/organizations because female-only would be part of what I would be paying for.

In fact I would demand a refund via litigation if necessary for tuition, expenses, time spent, and relocation to another school citing FTC Regulations regarding truth in advertising. Based on truth in advertising case law in relation to higher education, I would expect to win fairly easily though judgement and reward would occur in the rearview of completed education - but that win would set precedent for those behind me (which would be the goal).

Hopefully someone will have the guts (or balls in this Morehouse situation) to bring the aforementioned argument.

S1naidSucks · 15/04/2019 21:29

😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣

There are not enough laughing emojis for me to express how hard I laughed at this! Be careful what you wish for ‘folks’. Grin

Oliversmumsarmy · 16/04/2019 01:08

I think the college aren’t saying that you can change sex they are responding to those that believe Trans women are women and have said ok, in which case if you are now women then you can’t come to an all men college.

From my understanding they are happy to accept trans men because obviously by the belief that trans women are women then obviously trans men are men and more than welcome.

You can’t have it all ways.

I think the college have dealt with this perfectly.

StopThePlanet · 16/04/2019 02:10

@Oliversmumsarmy

Right on, I think many people would have your reaction.

I disagree as it will set precedent for female-only schools to follow suit. This is unnecessary territory to muddle - Morehouse is one of only three non-religious male-only colleges left in the US. More students that attend undergrad programs in sex-segregated schools move on to higher degree programs.

College applicants are applying more to female-only and male-only colleges than in previous recent years and are picking schools based on degree programs and for single-sex experiences as opposed to in spite of them. It used to be about going to the cool schools or party schools now students are focusing more on academics (probably because of increase in tuition costs and the crippling debt they expect to incur).

Taking the choice and opportunity of single-sex learning away from paying students showing interest through high enrollment numbers is poor judgement.

The students that benefit the most from sex-segregated schools are girls/women if boys/men are left without their single-sex institutions the girls schools will disappear too. Honestly this feels like a TRA goal to blur the lines so much that there is literally no female-only or male-only spaces left or allowed.

edgeofheaven · 16/04/2019 03:27

Morehouse has a sister college called Spelman which is all-women, those students who transition from male to female should apply for a transfer - and vice-versa frankly although I don't know what Spelman's policies are.

These colleges have a strong tradition of providing single sex higher education to those who choose it, ridiculous to then force them to make exceptions.

JellySlice · 16/04/2019 05:58

Girl Guiding.

TimeLady · 16/04/2019 07:56

I wonder if the college could see the writing on the wall and have simply decided that that TW are likely to become even more demanding in the years to come and have nipped it in the bud, knowing that TM (if they even bother to apply) are likely to prove less troublesome.

McKinnon's recent antics won't have helped the TW cause.

nauticant · 16/04/2019 08:42

although I don't know what Spelman's policies are.

www.ajc.com/news/local-education/spelman-college-admit-transgender-female-students/EP8SDz3abISvDSao97v1gJ/

Did anyone hear demands by transmen to be admitted to Spelman?

FingonTheValiant · 16/04/2019 10:56

As I understand it, the women's colleges at Cambridge accept TW. And I assume TM too (as that would make logical sense)... does anyone know for sure? I don't see how they can justify remaining women only without drawing a line somewhere. Otherwise they already have "male-presenting' students and actually male students.

Needmoresleep · 16/04/2019 11:21

My understanding is that it is usual for freshmen students to share rooms, allocations made by the college.

I assume many parents would be unhappy to hear that their 18 year old daughter was about to share with a transwoman, especially one who was not far down the transition path.

But at least their track team should improve.

ErrolTheDragon · 16/04/2019 12:34

As I understand it, the women's colleges at Cambridge accept TW. And I assume TM too (as that would make logical sense)... does anyone know for sure? I don't see how they can justify remaining women only without drawing a line somewhere. Otherwise they already have "male-presenting' students and actually male students.

They accept TW with a GRC (I believe they legally have to) and one or two of the three recently extended that to also allow for 'transitioning' students to apply. The change seemed intended to allow for people who would be intending to go down the GRC path but who because of their age (18) could not possibly have one yet.

I'm not sure they've had any actually apply, let alone be accepted. Cambridge colleges don't have to justify their offers, and can 'pool' any applicant they think would be up to the course but don't want themselves.

Re TM - I cant imagine why any would apply to a female college, and again, if any did so the college wouldn't have to accept them. Existing students who want to transition are supported in their choice if they want to move to a mixed college.

The college I know about has all single en-suite rooms in the first year, and very few shared rooms thereafter which are only ever allocated to people who want to share.

It also isn't a purely female enclave, 'single sex' only ever applied to undergrad admissions.

So while it's ideologically poor, in practice it's nothing for a female student or her parent to get alarmed about.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 16/04/2019 13:21

I disagree as it will set precedent for female-only schools to follow suit.

Female only schools have already capitulated, a fair few of them anyway.

CoisNaFarraige · 16/04/2019 13:24

Have cake and eat cake. Anything else is "violence".
Omg

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