All-males college excludes TW. And they don't like it up 'em!

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Oh this is just gold!

"Morehouse College, the only all-male historically black college in the US, announced that it would begin admitting transgender men next year in a new policy that the college’s board of trustees approved on Saturday. While non-binary and gender non-conforming students will be eligible for admission, trans women will not be, and students who transition or begin to self-identify as female during their tenure at Morehouse will not be eligible to receive a degree from the college."

And guess who is spitting feathers about their innate womanly essence now not being manly enough, that it is "violent" against them, and that they will be "antagonized and expunged"?

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/daveyalba/morehouse-college-transgender-male-students?fbclid=IwAR3AKCA-ZA3mzJtI3TdwfZn0xRNbLhZ6MmWXqzfoY9XQJa0pPJdiRAdWDKU

My understanding (I am not American) is that:

1. Black men are one of the the US's most under-performing group.
2. Morehouse College has a fantastic reputation.
3. A male black college may provide a better educational environment for some some black men, than being in a minority at, say, an Ivy. (I worked in Manhatten in the 80's and my friendship group included Canadians, Kiwis, and several successful black Ivy-educated Americans, who curiously seemed to consider themselves as much outsiders from the American mainstream as we did. I don't know if things have changed.)

Are TW actually wanting to blast a hole through Morehouse College's successful educational formula for a disadvantaged group simply because it suits them. In the same way that they seem willing to blast holes through protections for vulnerable women and children.

Seemingly TWAW except when they are not.

As soon as it looks as though something might exclude them - perish the very thought! - they start saying femmes not women.

Painfully, painfully transparent.

Indeed.

I think the college are calling out the bullshit in a deliciously passive aggressive way.

Could be a very cunning plan by somebody GC, goliven that past experience has seen TW be the most demanding about what they want at the expense of everyone else...

By saying the college is staying male and defining by gender rather than sex, which is what you would have thought trans individuals would have wanted, if a TW wants to go to the college then they would have to be the ones to take them to court to argue that TW are men, which could then cause ripples and legal headaches for all the other legislation that is based on accepting TW can say they are women and use female loos/changing rooms/etc... and best of all it would have come from a TW so others couldn’t complain that it was some nasty mean transphobic person that had done this...

The college gets to be seen as woke and inclusive because they are going down the gender route while causing the TW to shoot themselves in the foot - brilliant

Good point. If these stunning and brave folx want to crowdfund for the court case to prove TWAM I'll certainly bung them a few quid.

She said she believed the policy would not affect her ability to graduate because she was "grandfathered in" before the policy would be fully implemented.

I'm surprised First Ever Female Graduate Tatiana didn't change it to "grandmothered".

And both men and women should be allowed to experiment with different styles (makeup, clothes etc) without risking their education.

this confused me. is this what makes someone a man or a woman?

Oh the irony.

So basically it's 'violence' to exclude trans women from anything ever? But not so for biological women?

Stuff that benefits transwomen often puts transmen at a disadvantage if the two groups are treated equally (prisons are the scariest prospect, but sports are another obvious example).

And now we finally see a policy change that benefits transmen instead of transwomen and TRAs are protesting against it.

How the world can’t see that trans rights activism only flows in the direction of penis-people is beyond me.

Well I am cheering on Morehouse...
They are a male only college. So that is males.. Either biological males or self id males.. No women.. Biological ones or self id ones.
Its really not difficult to understand and I can't see any violence or threats in that policy.
If you feelz female then go to a unisex college or a female college.. After all that's what you want.. To be treated like a real woman.
So as a biological woman I would not expect to be admitted to a male only college so if you are a trans woman you can't either... The phrase tough tits springs to mind

To be clear, while a certain amount of schadenfreude is inevitable, if you believe in single sex spaces, then the college’s decision is not a good one and panders to stereotypes

Could be a very cunning plan by somebody GC,

It would be nice to think so but I suspect they have simply decided well the rules are gender so that's what we're doing after all female colleges are now forced to accept trans women (do they accept trans men I wonder?). I doubt the thought processes have moved on to the logical conclusion but it will be very entertaining to see this one played out in court. Popcorn all round. Buckets of it.

I dunno

Presumably this college is single sex to combat specific oppressions faced by black men

Because we’re all pretending lady brain is a thing now, some black men will be prevented from accessing this college (admittedly by dint of their own choices)

This does not feel like a win to me

I think their decision is wrong, for the same reason that I think admitting male people to all-female facilities is wrong.

But yes, interesting question for the TRAs to address with consistency and logic.

It'll be interesting to see if women-only colleges now start to refuse to accept transmen on this basis, because a transman is surely at risk in a male-only environment because of their biology.

But yes, interesting question for the TRAs to address with consistency and logic.

The only question there ever is for TRAs, is: "Does this benefit me above others?"
If the answer is "no", then it is violence/unfair/transphobic.

Consistency and logic need not apply.

Yes, if it is an environment where male stereotypes are of paramount importance, I can’t imagine it would be much fun for any woman to attend, even one who feels compelled to comply with masculine stereotypes

No, this isn't a win at all. My laughter is rueful, rather than triumphant.

”I think the college are calling out the bullshit in a deliciously passive aggressive way.”

If they are doing so to highlight the issue, then good. This article is the clearest demonstration so far that transwomen are demanding more rights than everyone else.

Well, you can't go around screaming that 'TWAW' then complain that women (including you) can't go to a Men's College because you're a woman.

I almost feel sorry for the staff that made this decision in good faith, believing that they were doing the ‘right’ thing and supporting trans people by recognising their gender identity over their birth sex.

No doubt they will be waking up to work account emails telling them to die in a fire, despite having followed the (written) TRA rule book.

Shame no one warned them about the unwritten rule, that penis-people should never, ever be told no.

Where are The Bewilderness’ Rules of Misogyny when you need them?

I know it’s terribly unchristian of me to gloat over the misfortunes of others, but this news of the TRAs tying themselves in knots to try and now insist that transwomen are men after all, absolutely made my day!

Though I can see why the College did it. Socially/culturally in the US simple sex segregation would probably be near impossible.

Something that has surprised my student DD at a RG University in the UK, is the strength of Christian Union evangelising. With the NUS going down their own woke rabbit hole, the CU have taken up the slack and dominate several societies and course student representative positions. (Its a pain because there are issues that might be better solved by negotiating with the University than by prayer, but it is up to the students themselves to ensure they have reps who recognise the importance of temporal aims as well as eternal salvation.) If this is happening in the UK, I assume the same patterns exist in the US. The whole woke stuff is confusing and illogical so you retreat to the black and white of fundamental religion.

Oh to be a University administrator.

I had a quick look to see what admissions policies were on women's colleges and it looks like each sets their own so there's no standard. Some admit TW and some do not. Narcissists obviously don't do irony when it comes to their own 'rights' but it must be tough to be told that after your 4 years of study you won't be getting your degree qualification. I wonder what, if any, feasible options there would be to transfer to/study at another college?

Sympathy over though, this statement made me wonder whether there isn't a subset of the trans community whose aim it is to front a "first trans woman to ....... " list.

"[I will] make history as the first fully transitioned woman in the school's 152-year history and the first female on the student record since the 1930s to earn a degree," she said.

We've heard it boasted before several times.

Where are The Bewilderness’ Rules of Misogyny when you need them?

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