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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Whaaaaat? A privileged group coopting the identity of an oppressed group is wrong? Surely not!

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ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 13/04/2019 22:56

medium.com/verve-up/transracial-is-not-the-new-transgender-why-race-and-gender-are-not-synonymous-b2c688ef0fae

Highlights include:

"They’ve Appropriated the Word “Transracial”"

You've appropriated the term "women"

"The fact that these people believe that they can pick and choose parts of the ethnicity they want and later decide to revert to their whiteness is white privilege at its worst."

Establishing your career as a man and then putting on a dress and winning woman of the year is male privilege at its worst.

"They have the option to decide when to carry the burdens and discrimination felt by other races whilst also reaping the ‘benefits’ by taking money from organisations created to empower and help black communities."

cough woman only scholarships and shortlists cough

"You can’t turn around, put on some makeup and perm your hair and assume that you’re now navigating the world as a black person."

But you can put on a wig and lipstick and say you're now navigating the world as a woman? Coooool.

"There is a difference between transitioning into a new gender, which doesn’t harm anyone else, and choosing to live a lie to the detriment of other people who form the oppressed group that you’re so desperate to be a part of."

Choking on the irony here.

So little self awareness. How can anyone have so little self awareness?

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 13/04/2019 23:05

So little self awareness. How can anyone have so little self awareness?

It's impressive isn't it. So many people have all the pieces but they choose not to join them up.

hipsterfun · 13/04/2019 23:36

The German ‘model’ and the TukTuk driver are just taking the piss, surely.

I’m having one of those moments where I think the whole trans-whatever thing is a massive po-mo wind up, or Russian (or whoever) psy-ops, and this article is part of it.

DarkAtEndOfTunnel · 13/04/2019 23:41

Yes, surely for someone somewhere in the chain this is a satirical piece?

World's gone mad and it is difficult to tell sometimes!

MrsBertBibby · 13/04/2019 23:43

It can't be serious, surely?

heresyisthenewblack · 13/04/2019 23:48

These idiots need to stop digging. I can't even read the whole article, although might revisit it eventually. Of course transracialism and transgenderism are similar! Both entail people claiming to be something they are not, and appropriating the experiences of another marginalised group as their own. The beliefs/behaviours that justify "trans" feelings or "living as" something you cannot possibly be rest mainly on harmful stereotypes about the sexes (aka sexism) or different ethnicities (aka racism).

I think the difference is that transracialism offends many men, deeply, so is considered morally wrong. Transgenderism is mainly harmful to women. It really doesn't seem to negatively impact men! So that's alright then, I guess? The sexism is absolutely breathtaking, when you see it laid out.

You cannot choose or change your sex or your ethnicity. Sex is binary. There is no third sex. Natural skin pigmentation is far more variable/complex.

If the TRA argument is that sex is a spectrum (it isn't), therefore transgenderism is valid, then surely what we call race is actually on a far more complicated spectrum, so TRAs should therefore believe transracialism is valid?

IMO, both ideas of "transness" are equally offensive to the groups whose material existence is reduced to an internal feeling in another person's head, whose identities are being colonised, and whose oppression is being considered a "lifestyle choice."

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 13/04/2019 23:48

I really don't think it's satire. I think the author really is that dumb.

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AnyOldPrion · 14/04/2019 06:13

I’ve been fascinated by the debates over “Genderfree” in similar bemusement. They berate others for adopting what they see as a false identity. Yet anyone with even a trace of common sense/honesty should concede that pretending male sex doesn’t exist is the most blatant example of privilege perversion bingo in the world.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 14/04/2019 06:15

I find the lack of awareness really strange. How can you write something like that and not see the problem?

zanahoria · 14/04/2019 06:32

Here is Anthony Lennon's own story.

It's interesting although I still think he was wrong to apply for that grant

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/10/white-parents-african-ancestry-anthony-ekundayo-lennon

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 14/04/2019 17:49

Must be satire surely..

Unlike gender, which is assigned to you at birth, your race or ethnicity is rooted in ancestry.

Yes, when doctors declare a persons sex, its just a random roulette of how the doctor was feeling at that moment Hmm

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 14/04/2019 17:52

Jesus..

There is a difference between transitioning into a new gender, which doesn’t harm anyone else, and choosing to live a lie to the detriment of other people who form the oppressed group that you’re so desperate to be a part of.

No, it harms women, but I guess women are not classed as people so it doesn't count eh? If it was just about 'transitioning' there would be no issue. I do not care what someone wants to wear or how many surgeries they want. But its NOT just about that at all. As everyone here knows, and as the author knows really.

NotTerfNorCis · 14/04/2019 18:23

Unlike gender, which is assigned to you at birth

What a load of balls. It's worse than a cult.

Mumminmum · 15/04/2019 20:38

Assigned at birth? Most stupid thing ever! Either you have a penis or you have a vagina and this is observed. It is not as if you come out of the womb without either and the midwife then surgically attached either a vagina or a penis to your body! Ridiculous!

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