FFS lesbians are not the same threat to women.

[KennDodd]

I see this a lot in threads about transwoman or men having access to women and women's spaces. It came up on the thread about male midwives. men are generally (almost always) bigger and stronger than women and commit violent crime at a level many times greater than women (even lesbians ) do. Men are a threat to women, lesbians] are no greater threat than any other woman.

And, I know, most men are lovely, I'm married to one.

I have never ever worried that a lesbian is going to jump out from a dark alley and attack me, the thought of it is so ludicrous as to be laughable. However, 100% of the people who have sexually assaulted me, flashed me, frightened me, catcalled me and mugged me have been men so I don't want them in my female only spaces.

Nothing could make it clearer that those posing what they fondly believe is a gotcha have zero understanding of what it is to be female

I was just about to say the same thing! I've heard many a straight man proclaim a fear of gay men, but I can honestly say I've never heard an adult woman carry on with this nonsense about lesbians. The sexual attraction angle SUCH a dead-giveaway male angle.

I have never ever worried that a lesbian is going to jump out from a dark alley and attack me,

It’s part of the porn-inspired view of women that many TRAs have because this is the kind of thing that happens all the time in male fantasies of what lesbians get up to.

These insinuations about lesbians being a danger give me the rage and I'm not even lesbian. But in all my long life I have never once heard of anyone being attacked by a lesbian, outside of domestic situations.

As a lesbian (the real kind) this argument makes me furious. It would never occur to me to use a female shared space as an opportunity to check out other women, my main concern is getting changed while showing as little of my post-baby body as possible. People who use this argument clearly understand nothing about lesbian sexuality. And don’t even get me started on “transbians” no one born with a penis will ever be a lesbian an no amount of bullying will get me to think otherwise.

The argument that lesbians would prey on women is just bs. We are not men, we do not act like men. When I was 19, I went to the Michigan Women's Music festival (late 70s) for the first time. There were 5,000 women there that year, mostly topless, some completely nude. While we could "admire" and appreciate the beauty of a women's body, we were not thinking "I want to penetrate her", we just dont think that way. Because, surprise, surprise, we consider women human beings that deserve respect💖
Stop pinning men's sexuality on females!

To follow up o .the above, MWMF ended after 40 years due to transactivism, supported by the HRC and a lesbian commission (can't remember the name). Lisa Vogel bought the land herself, but eventually couldn't take the hatred at the end, including the cutting of electricity and drawing of penises on buildings. A well know activist involved in was Dana Rivers, who went on to murder a lesbian couple and their 18 (19?) Year old son.
Flash forward to the Ohio women's music festival that was trans inclusive. There was a transwoman hanging out at the outdoor shower who, by many accounts, was creeping women out. But they didnt talk to each other about it until after the festival, out of fear of being branded transphobic.
A woman I personally know looked up his pubic accounts which had porn in the form of men ejaculating on women's face. Yes, women are just faces to him. She publically called him out (on the Ohio facebook page) and other women chimed in about their uncomfortable interactions with him, including his comment about "tight pussies". He then threatened to go after her saying "Don't forget, I know where you live".
And yet, there are STILL women out there saying that having a music festival for female-born women (lesbians or no) is transphobic. I say stop being lesbophobic.

The comment was "I know where you WORK", apologies. This man was about 60, typical autogynephil

I am sick of lesbians who should know better take the line of born in the wrong body, women are as bad as men and so on. Don't even use the word lesbian. But at least they don't say we shouldn't have a lesbian group advertised through the local women's group as its not suitable...

Lesbian here. I have experienced sexual, physical and emotional violence from lesbian partners. The first time it happened, I was devastated because I thought that now I had come out as a lesbian I'd be safe from sexual violence.

And I'm not a one-off unlucky person: I think something heterosexual people might need to consider is the fact that domestic and sexual violence does happen in lesbian and gay relationships. In fact it's prevalent enough that here is a charity called 'Broken Rainbow' which supports survivors www.brokenrainbow.org.uk

"The first time it happened, I was devastated because I thought that now I had come out as a lesbian I'd be safe from sexual violence"

Why on earth did you think that?

I mean apart from what you say, you thought men would leave you alone because of your invisible sexuality?

Also I have read that about gay & lesbian DV BUT the idea that women are as likely to be as violent / sex offenders in general is offensive. We just aren't.

The experience of most women is > multiple incidents of a sex related nature of ranging seriousness with men since puberty, nothing from women.

Of course women do it to but to pretend we are as dangerous as men is out of line and I am sick to the back teeth of hearing it. It's a lie and the only reason it's told is to downplay the crimes of men / break down barriers that were put in place eg safeguarding.

Why on earth did you think that?

I mean apart from what you say, you thought men would leave you alone because of your invisible sexuality?

If anything, its the other way around. When men find out you are lesbian, you are even more at risk.

And of course DV happens in all kinds of relationships. Still doesn't change the fact that 98% of sexual violence, and the huge majority of violence in general, is committed by men though. Hence, lesbians just are not the threat that men are.

And of course DV happens in all kinds of relationships. Still doesn't change the fact that 98% of sexual violence, and the huge majority of violence in general, is committed by men though. Hence, lesbians just are not the threat that men are.

Correct.

No. It's because I didn't imagine I'd experience sexual violence from women.

No one’s saying Lesbians aren’t human Skyzalimit

What people are saying is that lesbians are women. So trying to imply that they pose a risk to other women in the same way that men do is homophobic and fucking offensive

Even if all of this were true, if lesbians were a special kind of extra-entitled, violent woman (which both statistics, experience and common sense tells us they aren't - although the patriarchy often has a go at convincing us otherwise) - even if that were the case, they're still women, ie roughly the same size as me, I still stand a chance, unlike against the majority of men.

If my sister or mother suddenly got violent, I would probably be able to restrain her. If my brother or father did, I wouldn't rate my chances at all.

I'm a lesbian and let's face it Feminists, it isn't Iesbians who are sleeping with the enemy is it?

Are men the enemy?

I used to think that they were, but I no longer think they are

Some men are undoubtably dangerous to women, I agree that we live in a sexist, misogynist society but some men have been extremely helpful and empowering to me.

Are trans women the enemy?

I am asking this as I have felt rage towards some trans women because of the antics of misogynist TRAs and the TRA movement. I have had to reflect on my anger and I have concluded that I do not have a problem with trans women.

I have a problem with the policing of thought and of language

I have a problem with social engineering

I have a problem with women's spaces being invaded

I have a problem with quacks and charlatans who abuse children and vulnerable adults

I'm a lesbian and let's face it Feminists, it isn't Iesbians who are sleeping with the enemy is it?

Apparently it is...

Well according to some people at any rate

No. It's because I didn't imagine I'd experience sexual violence from women.

But when you say women and lesbians, we don't actually know which sex to which the people you refer belong, do we Sky?

And in any case, nobody here has said that no lesbian relationships have ever involved domestic or sexual abuse. Rather, everyone has been pointing out that women, lesbian or otherwise, are not sexually predatory, especially outside intimate relationships, in the way that men are. You know - the ways in which sex-based sexual crime statistics show.

I'm a lesbian because I am sexually attracted to women. I've always been a lesbian but it took me until my late thirties to realise that the weird sexual ambuity that I have always felt even as a child amounted to me being gay. I had no positive lesbian frame of reference to help be understand my feelings and had relationships with men for many years, including an 18 yr marriage to a man who was gay, but in denial due to societal and familial pressures. The point is the route to self awareness especially in older people has been a difficult one, but that sexual ambiguity, or non-heterosexuality is always there.

As a class, men are violent towards women children and other men. As a class, women, including lesbians are not. We all have real life experiences that contradict these class stereotypes.