Julian Assange

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder arrested in London www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47891737

deep when did the Obama administration explicitly lay out that they would not go after Assange?

The fact that Sweden was not even informed about the actions due to take place so that it could have considered seeking his extradition for possible charges of rape tells us that when big boys are playing toy soldiers no one cares how many lady figures are brushed off the table.

Big politics doesn't give a shit about actual people, particularly women and children? Glad Jess Philips has caught up. I understood that back in the 90's when I heard Allbright (a 'big gal' btw) say the 500 000 dead Iraqi children were worth it. What took her so long?

deep when did the Obama administration explicitly lay out that they would not go after Assange?

In 2013. If your point is that whatever the Obama administration stated should have been taken at face value and a sealed indictment was never in the cards after that statement, I'd like to remind you that people in the Obama administration have been caught lying. E.g. Clapper lied to the Senate under oath that US citizens were not indiscriminately spied on. (When proven a lie, though a felony, of course, nothing happened to him.)

Smotheroffive it's all very well saying he should stand trial but given his situation do you really think he would get a fair trial? If a whistleblower leaked footage of the Assad regime murdering civilians and the next thing we knew the regime had arrested that whistleblower on sexual assault charges everyone would say it was trumped up charges. Why aren't more people realizing that's what is likely happening to Assange?

He has money and lawyers so he will get a fair trial in the US.

The other question would be, Is he fit to stand trial? He'll be getting his psychiatric assessment in Belmarsh and high time too.

There is also the matter of what he knows about the Clinton emails and would the present administration want to give him a platform?

There may even be the ironic prospect of extradition to Ecuador to faces charges of attempting to undermine democracy there.

Sorry but you're wrong. Corrupt governments who commit war crimes generally don't give the dissidents who exposed their war crimes a fair trial. At best he will be given a show trial with the outcome determined in advance.

deep my point was more that you probably can’t take a statement like that at face value. But I’m not aware of the statement you’re referring.

I go from statements from various articles:

'The Obama administration had an institutional policy that concluded prosecuting Assange for the mere publication of classified documents was too controversial and legally risky: A successful prosecution could serve as the foundation for future misuse of that authority to clamp down on more traditional media outlets.'

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/prosecuting-julian-assange-puts-free-press-risk/576166/

'But the Obama administration never charged Assange for his role in orchestrating the leaks of classified material, spanning millions of diplomatic cables, military documents, and a video of a helicopter attack on civilians in Baghdad.
The Obama administration feared that going after Assange would create a dangerous precedent for journalists.'

foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/11/julian-assanges-legal-trouble-explained/

Greenwald states a similar thing on the intercept (Title: As the Obama DOJ Concluded, Prosecution of Julian Assange for Publishing Documents Poses Grave Threats to Press Freedom) and links to a WaPo article I cannot access (Title: Julian Assange unlikely to face US charges over...)

theintercept.com/2018/11/16/as-the-obama-doj-concluded-prosecution-of-julian-assange-for-publishing-documents-poses-grave-threats-to-press-freedom/

ARDuke In your opinion as a man who has commented about his views of prostituted women

He cannot be protected from trial for his serious sexual crimes against these women. Well, he can,but he shouldn't be.

He is clearly a very ill man. He has spent the last seven years running campaigns whilst.inside the embassy abusing the staff and decorating the walls.

Conflating issues

deep, sorry, I'm not sure I understand - are you saying there isn't a 2013 statement and you're actually extrapolating from 3rd party reports?

Supporters have twigged that Assange has a better chance of escaping extradition if he goes to Sweden, so they've switched tack and started pretending to care about the rape investigation.

They sicken me with their faux concern about the two women's right to justice. It is obvious that this it is just about saving Assange's skin.

deep, sorry, I'm not sure I understand - are you saying there isn't a 2013 statement and you're actually extrapolating from 3rd party reports?

I don't understand Boom. Are you saying Foriegn Policy and Washington Post are Fake News?

'The Obama administration made a decision that it couldn't prosecute Assange ... Miller, a former Justice Department spokesman, told The Washington Post in 2013.'

www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/opinion/julian-assange-wikileaks-first-amendment.html

Why not take it up with Matthew Miller, Boom? Maybe the former Justice Department spokesman under Obama spread fake news, when going on the record with the WaPo in 2013.

A tale of two Sk8trKidz:

• Sky is 10 and wants to go to the Olympics:

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/get-inspired/47558160

• Julian is 47 and won't be going to the Olympics:

elpais.com/internacional/2019/04/13/actualidad/1555189138_144555.html

Smotheroffive he didn't sexually assault anyone. The allegations against him are trumped up

Whilst it is important to always recognise the importance that a person should be presumed innocent, its pretty outrageous to assert that a man categorically did not sexually assault anyone.
You can't know this.
Its your opinion.

ARDuke, you don't know that. I assume you weren't there. What makes you think these women are less to be believed than Assange, a man who skipped bail and whose cavalier attitude to other people's safety has probably cost lives?

When a woman alleges that she has experienced a sexual assault, far too often others assume right from the start that she's making it up, or she's out for revenge, or she's just hysterical and making a fuss about nothing very much. Hence our shamefully low conviction rate for rape.

Nothing I've read about the Assange case suggests to me that it's trumped up. I find the allegations all too credible and entirely in line with his approach to life. But as neither of us was there, it needs to go to a judge/jury who will hear all the evidence and they can come to a verdict.

GabrielleNelson if a whistleblower leaked footage of Russian war crimes, and then Putin announced that there was allegations of sexual assault and the whistleblower needed to stand trial in Russia or a Russian-aligned country, you think they would be given a fair trial?

The issue here is whether you trust a corrupt government to give a fair trial to a dissident. In principle if the charges actually had proper merit to them, and he could be guaranteed a fair trial, I wouldn't object. But you would have to find a country willing to try him that can't be influenced by the US, and that's an incredibly short list.

I accept that it's possible Assange could be guilty of what he's accused, but shouldn't be also consider the possibility that our government is lying about this, because they want to punish Assange for his whistleblowing? How much faith do you really have in politicians?

ROwantrees you're right that while I can't say it with absolute certainty, it does very much look to be a case of trumped up charges rather than legitimate charges.

In your opinion which may be influenced by confirmation bias.

So R0wantrees if this happened in Russia and a dissident got arrested you would think it was a legitimate arrest, not a trumped up arrest by the regime to silence a dissident?

Men sexually assault women the world over.
Many deny this, especially males.

As you seem to have missed my question I will ask you again, and I will keep asking you until you answer.

R0wantrees if this happened in Russia and a dissident got arrested you would think it was a legitimate arrest, not a trumped up arrest by the regime to silence a dissident?

As you seem to have missed my question I will ask you again, and I will keep asking you until you answer.