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Julian Assange

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NeurotrashWarrior · 11/04/2019 10:45

Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder arrested in London www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47891737

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ARDuke · 15/04/2019 14:44

The only reason I can think of that you are deliberately avoiding answering me question is because you know I'm right?

R0wantrees · 15/04/2019 14:45

No.

ARDuke · 15/04/2019 14:49

Yes, you know that I'm right and that's why you keep avoiding the question. Glad that you've finally conceded you're wrong!

JackyHolyoake · 15/04/2019 14:53

Smotheroffive he didn't sexually assault anyone. The allegations against him are trumped up, orchestrated by corrupt governments who want to punish him for the stuff he's leaked.

Presumably the person making this statement has incontrovertible evidence to support such an assertion.

Maybe that person should hand over such evidence to the relevant authorities.

Then again, maybe that person might want to read this legal article from 2012 instead:

www.newstatesman.com/blogs/media/2012/09/legal-mythology-extradition-julian-assange

BeUpStanding · 15/04/2019 14:58

R0 has answered the question. She said:

"Men sexually assault women the world over. Many deny this, especially males." From this it appears to me she disagrees with you.

Julian Assange would face trial for sexual assault in Sweden; not Russia, Iran, China, USA or anywhere else. Sweden.

ARDuke · 15/04/2019 15:27

How would you ensure that a dissident gets a fair trial by the very regimes he has made an enemy of?

JackyHolyoake · 15/04/2019 15:29

How would you ensure that a dissident gets a fair trial by the very regimes he has made an enemy of?

In England a fair trial is provided by relying on the integrity of the jurors to come to a decision based solely on the facts provided in evidence during the trial.

ARDuke · 15/04/2019 15:32

You don't get it do you? It doesn't matter what rights a person technically has on paper when a regime can abuse their power to persecute dissidents. People have the right to a fair trial in Russia as well, look how well that works out for anyone who talks negatively about Putin in anything louder than a whisper....

If you wouldn't trust the Assad regime, or Putin, to give a fair trial to a whistleblower then why can you trust the US or US-aligned countries to do so?

JackyHolyoake · 15/04/2019 15:36

You don't get it do you?

I get that you seem to be suggesting that Assange should be given the status of someone who is above the law. With that opinion I strongly disagree. No-one is above the law of any country. It is not for me to try to control the legal systems of other countries. Those are what they are. For example, I deplore the American system of "plea bargaining". To me that is a corruption of any justice. But that is the system that is used in USA and so be it.

ARDuke · 15/04/2019 15:48

JackyHolyoake I am not suggesting that Assange is above the law. If he has committed the crimes he's accused of then he should go to jail. What I'm saying is that I am concerned the charges are not legitimate. I am worried that they are trumped up charges, orchestrated by the regime to punish him for exposing their war crimes. I don't see how he would get a fair trial in any country that is friendly with the US. It would be like suggesting that a dissident against the Assad regime be given a fair trial in Iran. It just wouldn't happen.

You're prepared to think the worst of Assange, shouldn't you also be prepared to think the worst of the government? You have to admit it's very convenient for them, there's this whistleblower causing trouble for them, then suddenly these allegations appear and they have a perfect excuse to go after him. Yes, he might be guilty. But it's also possible the regime has cooked up these charges to try and silence him.

JackyHolyoake · 15/04/2019 15:53

What I'm saying is that I am concerned the charges are not legitimate.

And that is for the Swedish court to decide. Jurors in Sweden are capable of coming to a relevant decision after they have heard all the evidence, read the transcripts of that evidence and discussed it amongst themselves. If those jurors decide the charges are unfounded they will acquit. Otherwise they will find Assange guilty of those charges. It is for the Swedish legal system to decide.

Imnobody4 · 15/04/2019 16:21

ARDuke
Can you define a 'regime' for me?
Which countries on this planet do you consider not to be 'regimes?

CaptSkippy · 15/04/2019 16:23

The women Assange assaulted had given him a place to stay during a conference. He thanked them by raping them. These women then had to go into hiding, fearing for their lives. Poor Assange.

MockerstheFeManist · 15/04/2019 16:30

Medals all round for the brave souls who waste breath (IMO) attempting rational argument with the tinfoil-hatted disciples of the Blessed Julain

Always a problem stating that "This is a Police State," because the fact that you can say it is proof that it isn't.

If our legal and political system really was as described by these people, why are they all free to comment here and not rounded up in a gulag?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 15/04/2019 16:34

Yes, you know that I'm right and that's why you keep avoiding the question. Glad that you've finally conceded you're wrong!

What are you? 12?

She hasnt conceded anything

JackyHolyoake · 15/04/2019 17:07

What are you? 12?

Well, here in England it is a school break for two weeks ... ostensibly for for Easter Grin

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 15/04/2019 17:09

Fair point jacky Grin

Makes me wanna check what ds2 is up to

JackyHolyoake · 15/04/2019 17:13

Ha ha!

theOtherPamAyres · 01/05/2019 13:45

Assange has been jailed for 50 weeks.

He wrote a letter of apology, that the court ignored. it must have been written by someone other than Asange because it is contrite and full of sorries.

I reckon that letter of contrition will put pressure on the prison authorities to release him early. July or August, I reckon.

The media makes a special mention of his newly trimmed and different coloured beard.

Smotheroffive · 01/05/2019 13:49

The media makes a special mention of his newly trimmed and different coloured beard not to mention the absence of smeared in own excrement

MockerstheFeManist · 01/05/2019 15:09

Fifty weeks when the maximum is fifty two suggests the minimum of clemency for the minimal and belated regret.

Now if he wants to get out in twenty five weeks, he will need to convince probation that he is contrite, acknowledges his guilt and is willing to address his offending behaviour.

Back tomorrow for the US extradition hearing. The wheels of Swedish justice meanwhile grind on slowly.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 01/05/2019 15:25

I couldn't get over how old and decrepit he looked. I couldn't believe it when I checked how old he was.

47!! He looks more like 87.

i wouldn't be at all surprised if the allegations against him are true. I have the impression that he's a very weird, difficult man. Solipsistic, autocratic, selfish, entitled...

Julian Assange
TundraDweller · 01/05/2019 15:32

I read his apology letter as (a slightly teenagery) Soz Not Soz - he apologies to those who “consider” he has disrespected them. Suggesting he doesn’t consider his actions indicated disrespect by themselves.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 01/05/2019 15:43

The media makes a special mention of his newly trimmed and different coloured beard.

Nice to see men being critiqued for their appearance, however irrelevant to the case,,,

CraftyWoman · 03/05/2019 10:02

Relevant article from Byline

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