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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"If recording my own rape isn't enough evidence, what is?"

224 replies

ReallyAngryNow · 09/04/2019 19:17

www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/young-woman-who-recorded-herself-being-raped-by-her-ex-slams-his-acquittal/?fbclid=IwAR0wquQcg11GhrXG2mR0zdeqXrLsW6SaagR_zcTVE4pB5t90sK3At9fvQQs

NC for this because it’s in my local area and don’t want my other very outing posts linked together.

I’ve had enough of this shit. Seriously. What can we do? I feel like every day we read about rapists and abusers walking free, and very rarely hear about them ever being punished.

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Imnobody4 · 10/04/2019 18:25

Lass
I never realised the systems were so different.

Erythronium · 10/04/2019 18:29

Why aren't men being asked if they've ever sexually assaulted someone before they can sit on a jury trying a sexual assault case? Or would that be "unfair"?

BDSM has provided the defense of "she consented" to both rape and murder. It needs to be held to account.

Ereshkigal · 10/04/2019 18:42

And if you like hurting your partner during sex, even if it's all consensual blah blah blah, then tough shit if something happens and you find yourself in court. Get your kicks some other way. Sorry if that's not very liberal or sex positive or its kink shaming but I don't give a fuck.

THIS

Ginger1982 · 10/04/2019 18:49

Lawyers can't sit on juries in Scotland.

ilovemilton · 10/04/2019 19:49

@Hearhere they said I was within my rights to have been recording - I did it every time he had to come around. They said it's because I could have messed with the recording in some way.

Hearhere · 10/04/2019 21:42

@ilovemilton, thank you for clarifying, I understand now

gluteustothemaximus · 10/04/2019 21:52

Rape myths are perpetuated not just by the general public, but by the police too.

In the Rotherham case, that was as much misogyny as it was racism.

In the recent case of Shana Grice who was murdered by her partner, she had reported harassment to the police 5 times in 6 months and yet she was fined for wasting police time Sad

FEF1102 · 10/04/2019 22:12

I was orally raped and he confessed via text - even though he admitted he forced me and that he knew I didn't want it - the police dismissed it as rough sex. They said I would ruin his life if he was convicted, I needed to realise that boundaries had changed with 50 shades of grey, that because he stopped eventually then it wasn't an issue. So even with a confession in black and white it is thrown out before it even got to court. That was a female detective who decided it was rough sex and she began answering her own questions she put to me such as was there any other issues (she answered no there wasn't). She played judge, jury and executioner and here was me going into the interview thinking it would be specially trained individuals. I think the rape culture is so ingrained that even those with training can't see past it.

ZebrasAreBras · 10/04/2019 22:16

boundaries had changed with 50 shades of grey

Bloody hell, a policewoman said this to you?!

My boundaries didn't change because someone made a fortune out of 50 shades of grey.

ZebrasAreBras · 10/04/2019 22:17

FEF1102 Thanks

Hearhere · 10/04/2019 22:17

@FEF, I'm so sorry to hear what happened to you that is appalling and then for the police to rub salt into the wound like that
Absolutely awful when people commit crimes we don't normally worry about their lives being ruined by the conviction, we say if you can't do the time don't do the crime

It's an absolute disgrace that the police woman protected the perpetrator and blamed the victim.
I'm so sorry that you were treated so appallingly,

Hearhere · 10/04/2019 22:19

Sadly I have heard this kind of story too many times, the woman victim is spun into a perpetrator attacking the man's reputation, all the shame and the blame is pushed onto the woman, the vulnerable person
they kick you when you are down
it's appalling

FEF1102 · 10/04/2019 22:55

Sadly this was my experience and under no circumstances would I report again. My only comfort is that his name is on paper with this accusation on file should someone else report him.

SecretLimonadeDrinker · 10/04/2019 23:13

I'm so disgusted reading this,shocking that video evidence isn't enough. Whole system is fucked. 🤬

JessicaWakefieldSV · 11/04/2019 07:09

FEF1102 Flowers

ChattyLion · 11/04/2019 07:26

Oh god, this is horrendous. Women are defenceless, literally.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 11/04/2019 09:25

ChattyLion

Yes it really seems that way. The message to women actually is: don’t refuse. This is horrendous alright

justasking111 · 11/04/2019 09:31

A sex game gone wrong he says poor girl

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MenuPlant · 11/04/2019 10:53

"Yes it really seems that way. The message to women actually is: don’t refuse. This is horrendous alright"

This is interesting -

There was a recent thing about "bad sex" where a woman wrote a story and loads of women said Oh I've had bad sex too! But the stories they told were of abuse or rape.

In a culture where we deep down know that

If we "go along with it" we are less likely to get hurt and it will be over quicker
And that approach I think is a psychological protection thing as well "I consented, it was all fine" is easier than facing up to attack / abuse / coercion etc
And we also all see news stories and hear things all the time about men getting off light / really dodgy defences / women and girls getting short shrift from the police etc

That many women and girls rationalise / minimise / etc many of these situations.

This then means if we do decide to report later we don't have a leg to stand on
And importantly it sets a situation where loads of men coerce / assault women and girls, and the women and girls react as if they haven't done what they did, and they dont' report them and so they carry on with impunity and tell themselves what they are doing is fine.

This is an absolutely toxic setup where women and girls ( and I'm sure it happens with men and boys too) are groomed almost, everything is set up to let men get away with it, even in their own minds.

Writing that was a bit depressing. We need massive change.

But society isn't interested - in theory there's hand wringing but as soon as it's actual cases it's all oh poor fella - and often even child abuse is shrugged away esp if the victims are girls over the age of about 11.

Really, society only wants the incredibly violent serial offenders prosecuted. The rest are excused away.

differentnameforthis · 11/04/2019 12:22

@Rufusthebewilderedreindeer I was replying to your question at Tue 09-Apr-19 22:19:23

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/04/2019 12:57

Yes i know different

But i dont think that was the question i was asking Smile

A poster came on and said posters were saying that it was better that 10 innocent men go to jail than 1 guilty man go free

I said that i hadnt seen anyone say that

but honestly im over it now...that poster hasnt come back anyway Grin

Tweeone · 12/04/2019 00:17

menu not even the really violent ones. Women and girls are fair game.

7Days · 13/04/2019 23:09

BDSM practitioners say it's Safe, Sane and Consensual. That's fine then, let them off.

But if someone ends up badly injured or dead, that's not safe or consensual. If you stray beyond SSC, it's dangerous. You could end up dead, or in jail.

Maybe If the danger was shared more equally fewer women would end up dead, because fewer men would risk lengthy prison sentences.

Grimbles · 14/04/2019 08:31

So, if I understand it. You cant consent to being assaulted, raped or murdered unless the perpetrator says it was done as part of a sex game gone wrong..?

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