Hayden and their latest case

[Amalfimamma]

So this is the latest message to intimidate after their idea to compile a list of gc women

changing your name, re-registering, using a vpn... this is what these creeps want... to scare women. We're not doing anything wrong and need to stand up to bullies not fear them

I have huge admiration for your courage, Venice. But many of the women on here have chosen to be anonymous for good reason. Taking sensible precautions to ensure that their anonymity is effective is not giving in to bullies - it's taking steps to ensure that they have no power over us.

XXcstatic if I am called Jane Smith, I have to have an email address of [email protected]

I work in a shop that for a while was very hot on staff asking for email addresses

The amount of emails given by blushing 25 year olds who had set up throwaway emails when they were 15 and never bothered updating them such as

Katierocks@......

Or

Staceyloves69@.....

Had to be seen to be believed

Venice, I too admire your bravery.

I changed to a vpn when Emma Healey released people's IP addresses on Twitter - and when I googled the IP I was using, I could find my home address very easily.

I didn't much fancy being "Swatted" - as one mumsnetter was - or "doxxed" or anything else. I live with my children - they deserve to protected as far as possible. A vpn seemed a genuinely sensible online safety precaution.

I agree with XX

I have set up a different email for mumsnet

But this was done belatedly after emmagate i think

Anyone could trace me back under the original email...first name and second name....that i set up when i first joined (i know i know!!)

But I'm not changing my name on here, and i think that if i deregistered and came back as another Rufus that it could all still be linked back

Many women here wish to remain anonymous not just for their own protection, but for their children too. Only an absolute psycho would want to scare women on a forum like this by making threats that will never end up in a court, but are used solely for their own creepy purposes. Based on past criminal behaviour, we are right to fear possible real life stalking or violence from such persons.

Changing your name, re-registering, using a vpn... this is what these creeps want... to scare women. We're not doing anything wrong and need to stand up to bullies not fear them.

Using a vpn is perfectly sensible for all sorts of reasons.

Name changing, especially if accompanied by re-regging, makes it impossible to check the posting history of anyone when setting up RL groups. It impedes women from organising.

You can, of course, change your email address without re-regging, the one I originally used is long obsolete.

Just as a general reminder - nothing whatever to do with the specific subject of this thread (for avoidance of doubt, that's not sarcasm) - it's a good idea not to clean out PMs which might contain identifying info of yourself or other posters, as they may be vulnerable to hackers or system cockups.

Thanks for info re VPN

Rufus I think MNHQ removed historic details of posters to comply with GDPR. Perhaps @MNHQ could confirm?

twitter.com/samkcarpenter/status/1115570883291176960?s=

I'm assuming SH is referring to this re: using throw away email addresses - not sure whether this will affect MN or the outcome?

Oooh interesting bore

I never say anything interesting so im not particularly worried but that would be interesting to know

When you deregister, all data is wiped. You can find this info in their privacy guidelines

I'm disappointed in Sali Hughes. I can see why she's upset about her own experience of being defamed, but has she even looked at Steph's background? Does she have any idea who she's aligning herself with?

Also disappointed because Sali had an excellent spat with Owen Jones. My enemy's enemy etc.

Oooh that's interesting as well jessica

Noo not Sali! There was some absolute shit written on here about her a few years ago. The quality of that discussion was what put me off mumsnet for years, tbh.

People can post any old shite on here, even if they sound authoritative. Worth bearing in mind.... Although tbh I'm surprised mn didn't remove the posts.

Remember that any claimant would still need to prove defamation, which includes providing evidence of serious harm and that the information shared was false or not in the public interest. Those with previous history of dishonesty, would not be able to claim defamation as that type of history is considered in the public interest. It could also be easily proven that certain people are engaging in similar activities for which they have been previously before the courts for.

Rightio Jessica, that makes sense.

Sorry that sounded sarcastic- no meant to be!!!

Also, just for anyone concerned, remember that previous names of that person were discussed in public/media by that person including confirming and defending the various name changes. Any discussion re that in particular on here is pretty silly to get worked up about, if that’s what they’re doing, because they themselves have had to discuss it because they made the Glinner case a matter of public record. They even referred to at least one of the previous male names.
I believe other posters were also accused of defaming for calling a certain person a pretend lawyer, when said person was a member and said person stated just last week they were registered with a professional body. Well, that person, just months ago, confirmed to media after it surfaced they were in fact not registered anywhere, that they did not have to be because they did not undertake reserved activities. I believe they might claim lawyer is not a protected term, but as I understand it, it is.

Sali is saying the posts about her were untrue. There's a difference.

Is there a news blackout on this person? kiwifarms has it all pulled together in far more detail than here.

Smoke and mirrors, fanning some imaginary flames. Probably trying to deflect the times commentary. I don't think we should give them any more oxygen tbh.

SH knows exactly what info is needed to sign up to MN as a PBP themselves 🤷‍♀️

Sali should still not be retweeting SH.

I totally agree Jessica. Posting for the 👀...

Actually I think its been established before your IP address can not locate you exactly so there should be no fear of being tracked down from that alone. I googled mine and on various sites got a very rough area or county I live, or maybe the location of my provider not me. Throwaway emails is common sense on forums to prevent spam apart from anything, but a timely reminder on giving personal info. Misogynistic, controlling behaviour of females is an age old practise but the internet gives a new platform with anonymity to those.

Is there a news blackout on this person? kiwifarms has it all pulled together in far more detail than here

Defamation laws differ from country to country. UK law has been tightened in recent years but it's still an easy place to sue for defamation, compared to many other countries. And it's not helped by our relatively weak protections for free speech. They do exist e.g. via the HRA (soon to be repealed if the nutter wing of the Tory party get their way), but they are nowhere near as strong as, say, the First Amendment in the US.

Also, just on a practical level, suing for defamation usually relies on proving some level of harm. It's going to be harder for anyone domiciled in the UK to prove they have been harmed by a website predominantly used by New Zealanders, than to prove they have been harmed by a UK site.

Kiwi farm actually isn't to do with new zealand. I googled the meaning behind the name once and fell down rabbit hole of epic proportions . I mean that story has it all. 👀👀👀👀 Sonic and Pikachu's seriously disturbing love child for a start.

But yes, the point remains the same, the site is hosted by a different country. Russia maybe? Null is a US citizen I think.

Well out of the clutches of fake nails anyhow.

You're right scotsheather - I misremembered. It was the e-mail address I used at the time the Jeff incident happened, when that list was released. We own our e-mail domain name, as DH is in the business, so it was extremely easy to trace our address.

IP addresses only give vague location.