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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Update: identifying as non-binary for work award

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Somerville1234 · 03/04/2019 02:02

Can't find the old thread... but anyway, there's an award/opportunity at work, only for people who are LGBT+++. I don't remember all the categories but they included genderqueer, genderfluid and genderfree. Also K, which I'm reliably informed stands for kink lifestyle. I don't understand why someone would need a special thing at work for getting off on weeing and whips (?? I don't watch porn, I don't have a clue), but maybe I'm just old fashioned. Anyway, old fashioned or not, I'm gender free because I don't believe in gender. And I wanted the professional opportunity. (Forgive me for the vagueness - being careful because of doxxing.) And you lot were encouraging...

I ended up applying - which didn't involve saying how I met the criteria, just ticking that I did. And then I was perpexedly approached by my woke boss.
(WB "Erm... so you realise that this is for LGBT+++ employees, Somer?"
S "Yes."
WB "Erm...it was my understanding you're a straight woman...?"
S "I'm genderfree and-"
WB: "Really?"
S "Yes, and I think I need to remind you that the staff handbook recommends that no-one should assume anybody elses's gender."
WB: "Oh, terribly sorry about that.")

I then had a lovely meeting with HR where they were very keen to update my pronouns on the system. I told them that being gender free I require the box beside gender to be left empty, but that I can accept female pronouns because that's my biological sex. They were happy with this novel idea Smile and to learn more about the difference between sex and gender. They young HR person didn't know they're not synonyms but he learns something new every day apparently.

And now... I've heard I'm shortlisted for the next round!
It's been announced to the whole company, and I've had a few bemused looks but no direct transphobia, I'm happy to report. Smile
My longsuffering DH (works in same field) has been teased a bit for my gender identity but he's happy to suffer for the sake of my fight for equality. Smile

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calpop · 05/04/2019 14:10

I quite like "Women are Transwomen too"

It's funny how some men were perfectly happy to barge into women's experiences and spaces, but aren't too keen on women the same thing isn't it?

Well done you prawn!

BlueLlamas · 05/04/2019 14:52

Leaving this here without comment

twitter.com/nononoagh/status/1114153219217924101

Sitdownstandup · 05/04/2019 14:52

I believe vagina fetishism is still somewhat acceptable when coming from a straight man. It's more lesbians who are required to accept ladydick.

Carriemac · 05/04/2019 15:08

I imagined Somerville got her name from the ealry Irish feminist Edith Sommerville
www.britannica.com/biography/Somerville-and-Ross

picklemepopcorn · 05/04/2019 15:24

Mary Somerville,

www.brainpickings.org/2016/12/26/mary-somerville-scientist/

picklemepopcorn · 05/04/2019 15:27

@BlueLlamas , love that link. Go melancholy flower!

SeraphinaDombegh · 05/04/2019 15:50

This is marvellous. I'd been considering coming out as NB for a while now, but it didn't quite fit. Genderfree resonates with me, though. I've updated my Twitter bio now... I am out and proud! Love to see the TRA responses when I call them out for being transphobic when they misgender me as cis.

Somerville1234 · 05/04/2019 16:24

My username is no more (and no less) than a favourite literary character.

Please could we reanimate the Bluestocking because I could use a bloody drink after being sucked back in to Twitter. (If I have to type “LITERAL violence” again I might cry.)

Any and all interest in genderfree is beyond amazing. It wasn’t my idea - I read the definition and realised it fit me. That’s all. (Can I say no thank you to anything titled with this username without looking like a twat?)

Prawn - now that is truly amazing.

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FloralBunting · 05/04/2019 16:25

Somerville's tweets really are magnificent. The righteous outrage from the wokesters at her 'appropriating' and 'taking a place meant for others' is so blind to their own hypocrisies, I am still shaking my head.

I note that the next step of critique is the vague threat about losing her job, and then it ramps up to attempting to force compliance because she is now part of the 'community' and must support every other letter without question.

This all descends into, "If you don't support us you'll be just like Caitlin Jenner. Do you want to be like CAITLIN JENNER??" and I find myself baffled that these people's genuine reaction to the nakedness of their ideology is a mixture of denial, threats and attempted shaming.

They really are a piece of work.

CharlieParley · 05/04/2019 16:27

BlueLlamas oh they so love labelling us cis, they so love telling us we're trans if we explain that we reject gender entirely coz that's the only way we fit into their boxes, but they clearly hate it when we declare ourselves trans.

Next time I might just identify as a man who identifies as a woman. After all, gender fluid is valid, even occasional fluidity.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/04/2019 16:31

Please could we reanimate the Bluestocking because I could use a bloody drink after being sucked back in to Twitter. (If I have to type “LITERAL violence” again I might cry.)

I've already dusted down the bar and a few people are propping it up.Grin

CharlieParley · 05/04/2019 16:32

Prawn bloody well done. That is an amazing achievement and I hope you keep on going strong. I'd invite you for a Brew and Cake to congratulate you, but I hope a virtual celebration will do instead.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/04/2019 16:35

ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ

DpWm · 05/04/2019 16:48

OMG
I am so very much a man who identifies as a woman, and am very excited about getting called "cis" now!

EweSurname · 05/04/2019 16:50

Do you know the stonewall trans umbrella even has a MTFTM and a FTMTF?

EweSurname · 05/04/2019 16:51

Although now I've said it out loud (the internet equivalent anyway), I feel like maybe the umbrella I was looking at was photoshopped as it can't really can it?

wrathofVitriolKlop · 05/04/2019 17:25

Errol
You have special powers.

You should have a blue plaque with your name on it.

AlunWynsKnee · 05/04/2019 17:36

Since it was me that suggested The Somerville Arms, I shall bin that idea :) And I wouldn't dare to say you look like a twat. Unless you identify as one in which case...
Grin

BoomBoomsCousin · 05/04/2019 17:39

This all descends into, "If you don't support us you'll be just like Caitlin Jenner. Do you want to be like CAITLIN JENNER??"

What has Jenner done to upset the TRAs?

EweSurname · 05/04/2019 17:52

Supported trump

BoomBoomsCousin · 05/04/2019 18:03

Ahh. Thanks Ewe.

Sitdownstandup · 05/04/2019 18:35

Caitlin Jenner is a complete dickhead, in all fairness.

BoomBoomsCousin · 05/04/2019 18:40
Grin
Datun · 05/04/2019 18:40

Plus Caitlin Jenner doesn't stick to the script. Can't be trusted. And refuses to stop publicly telling the anecdote about wearing their adolescent daughters' clothes/underwear.

And yet, likes to be consulted about all things trans.

Big problem for activists.

There's also something a little cynical and world-weary about Caitlin. I guess they may have lived long enough and seen enough stuff to feel a little embarrassed about the current rose tinted specs narrative. Whilst desperately not wanting people to stop looking through those specs.

dontdoxmeeither · 05/04/2019 19:05

Oh my. I have been in tears reading this. Small watery ones at the realisation that this approach is possible (I'm a bit dim and trying to educate myself on this important issue, can get tongue tied etc)

My role involves using something Accenture created and after their recent shenanigans, I'm going to refuse to use it. And for that I need to articulate exactly why without looking an uninformed fuckwit.

I've had the other tears, the uncontrollable laughing ones. Especially at "this never happens" and "just self ID as the winner and refuse to be told otherwise" 😂😂

Bloody well done Somerville

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