Let Toys Be Toys has fallen

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'Jamie’ by @ollypike: “There certainly aren't many books for younger children about transgender identities & this one is told very gently & sensitively” For a range of children’s books with transgender themes see...
https://twitter.com/lettoysbetoys/status/1112454995000131584?s=21

I remember being rather confused at the pantomime when the lead boy was played by a lead girl. I kept thinking ‘that princess is in for a shock...’

I was absolutely outraged by the Principal Boy being a girl! A woman marrying another woman wasn't my idea of a happy ending at all! (Even though I did want to marry my best friend at infant school )

girls don't deserve good things and girls are an inferior type of people whose purpose is to serve males, the superior type of people.

And there you have the philosophy of TW, misogynists and abusive men, all together in a nutshell.

I notice they have been a bit quiet today.

Hopefully that means the intern has been redeployed elsewhere.

God knows I wish we could “abolish gender” and everyone could be free to live, dress and express themselves however they want but that is a huge social change that I don’t think can be solved on Mumsnet.

When I was at at school the Conservative party introduced Section 28.

Last year the leader of the Scottish Conservatives announced that she and her wife were about to have a baby.

And you think we can't change how people think about clothes?

There is no description, no explanation of why this girl “becomes” a boy. She is treated badly by her brothers - seemingly because she is a girl. She wants short hair. To go to the ball she dresses in trousers and a jacket and her mouse friends cut her hair. So, with short hair and trousers she decides she is actually a boy. As a boy she goes to the ball and effectively falls in love with the princess.

What message does this give children?

You like wearing trousers and having short hair?
You are a boy.

Men are unpleasant to you because you are a girl.

So.
Be a boy. It’s much better. You get to make a car out of a pumpkin, and escape the nasty men.

You fancy other girls?
You must be a girl.

Honestly, it is that simple in the book. It’s appalling. It’s obviously written for very young children. They will see it in a very literal way. There is NO WAY I’d give this to a young girl - or boy to read.

God knows I wish we could “abolish gender” and everyone could be free to live, dress and express themselves however they want but that is a huge social change that I don’t think can be solved on Mumsnet

Let Toys Be Toys was started on Mumsnet and has made a tangible difference to the high street. Social change happens because people make it happen.

If Let Toys Be Toys is taken over by TRAs it'll be an absolute tragedy. I really hope this is just a blip.

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/brighton-school-pupils-pronoun-stickers-transgender-council-a8851276.html

'Schools in Brighton are to give out pronoun stickers to pupils in a bid to support transgender children.

The stickers, which are being handed out to pupils in secondary schools and colleges, are part of Brighton and Hove City Council’s pronoun badges campaign which aims to prevent “misgendering”.

The council’s badges indicate whether people would like to be addressed as “he”, “she” or “they” – and some are left blank to allow people to fill in their own pronouns.'

What about thing 1, thing 2 etc. If it was food enough for dr Seuss...

Does Brighton and Hove have budget they need to spend or something? Haven’t they got any problems they need to address - homelessness, kids in poverty, parks that need care? Why don’t the locals get pissed off with such a waste of money?

In ye olden days kids/teen ‘tribes’ weren’t pandered to. Unless they also have ‘punk’ ‘goth’ and ‘emo’ stickers (or whatever the equivalent is these days). Labelling people 🙄

JHC Brighton and Hove council!

I’d really like to see how that initiative would go down with the traveller families in our school.

This must’ve been in the times today. DH was rolling his eyes about it over breakfast.

Yes, fekko

Council gives pronoun stickers to trans pupils

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brighton-and-hove-city-council-provides-pronoun-stickers-for-trans-pupils-fkbzs0gjb?shareToken=b472444ee1264ed3e1ab102b0ae0579f

I’d make my own. It would be rude and to the point. I never liked tribalism when I was at school.

We all define our own gender
I'd like to define mine as getting more pay than I do.

There was an article recently mentioning detransitioners saying adults asking for pronouns made things harder for them - I didn't read the article though, did anyone else catch it?

Was it because it makes it harder for them to change their minds once they've made a public declaration?

I don't know if I'm thinking of the same thing as you howmany, but I have definitely read things where gender nonconforming people (especially more "masculine-presenting" lesbians or even just not-particularly-feminine girls) said that they felt almost pressured into declaring themselves trans because they felt they were being asked about pronouns more constantly/in a more pointed way because of their appearance, compared to others who were more gender (or stereotype!)-conforming. (Can't remember where I read it though!).

To be honest, if you simply take out the bit where Jamie decides, apropos of nothing, that she is a boy, the book works quite well as a nice story of self-confidence and liberation.

The whole idea that some children can be labelled 'gender non-conforming' absolutely boils my piss.
ALL children are gender non-conforming, whatever that phrase is supposed to mean. It's only when we get worn down by the hell that is other people do we doubt ourselves and feel that we might have to start to conform to ridiculous gender stereotypes and act to what other people want. The implication that most children are assumed to be conforming to restrictive and toxic societal norms is offensive and what we should be fighting against.

Back in the 80's the Princess of Wales wore tuxedos and had relatively short hair and people just thought she was wearing clothes.

We have regressed so far.

I have noticed that the new generation of mememememes seems to have that very same 1980s haircut (short back and sides, longer and floppy on top).

Someone really should tell them that's this is how their mums were wearing their hair back in the day.

I agree that we have regressed in a big way. What happened?

Im gonna say.... social media?

I agree that we have regressed in a big way. What happened?

I think a contributing factor is fewer visible female singers / musicians that don't conform to hyper-feminine stereotypes and vice versa.

I had a heap of gender non-conforming idols to choose from as a teenager, I can't think of any who'd come close now.

Has anyone seen any news from LTBT addressing the concerns about this nonsense?