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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fuck. My turn for trans awareness training.

91 replies

HolyFuckA · 31/03/2019 19:01

At work. I've told my boss I'll probably fail and my reasons why. She was pretty good about it and interested when I explained my views. But I have to pass. It's mandatory. I wonder if it's going to give me a pronouns test?

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KitchenDancefloor · 08/04/2019 22:29

Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting you give robust feedback. You alone know how much grief you'd get for that.

ADropofReality · 08/04/2019 23:06

I'm local government. Woke of the woke.

I am mildly baffled why we've had a Conservative government for 9 years and not had the opportunity to hang the verminous woke by their scumball necks for shit like this.

ADropofReality · 08/04/2019 23:12

Anyway, OP, you need to make a note (an actual note, written, not a mental one) of every question and every multiple choice answer given, and send them to James Greenup or Andrew Gilligan at the times, and let them expose the fact that public sector workers are having to pass a test of opinions (i.e. clear themselves of trans thoughtcrime) just to keep their jobs. It should be utterly illegal, IMO, to have to pass a "correct opinions" test to hold a job in the public service.

Ereshkigal · 08/04/2019 23:29

It should be utterly illegal, IMO, to have to pass a "correct opinions" test to hold a job in the public service.

Totally agree. It's outrageous. This is an ideology. It's not a belief system shared by most people.

Toorahtoorahaye · 09/04/2019 07:37

I think this would mske an excellent article and tslking point on the likes of LBC, Talk Radio etc. Totally understand the position you are in though worried about rocking the boat.

I’d have struggled with this. I struggle having to choose a gender box online ehen joining or applying for something- this would have given me the rage.

HolyFuckA · 14/04/2019 20:42

It's taken me nearly a week to calm enough to write a comprehensive response. A massive thank you to JackyHolyoake for providing the legal links. A brief outline of my response:

  1. Thanking them for providing the training but as someone who falls under the lbgt umbrella I'd like to alert them to my concern about their alignment with insert various charities here due to them being linked with homophobia, associations with people who have investigated for poor safeguarding practices (good old AC), a GP who has been found guilty of illegally prescribing hormones to children and safeguarding policies which are contrary to statutory safeguarding procedures. Worded better, I promise.

  2. Alerting them to their obligations under the EA2010 re: toilets and formally stating my objection if they are indeed stating via this training that our toilets are now mixed sex (with the link) Tied in with this expressing my concern re: their assertions about toilets in schools with regs attached.

  3. Asked them for their equality impact assessment re: the above, particularly in relation to sex, religion and disability.

  4. Told them to fuck off with their use of cis

  5. Thanked them for recognising the difference between real trans people and cross dressers. But also asked them if they could please advise me how I would be able to tell the difference between the two in practice.

I've not sent it yet. Anything else I've missed? And once again, thank you for your help.

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Ffsnosexallowed · 14/04/2019 20:48

I challenged our new e learning programme, based on some legal inaccuracies (e.g. E the definition of sex, which included self identification and including gender in a diagram re protected characteristics). IT made the changes I recommended within an hour and I got an apology from our head of equalities who said they'd just copied another organisations training and she hadn't proof read it carefully enough.... 🙄🤔

ErrolTheDragon · 15/04/2019 00:53

Well done ffs!

HolyFuckA · 15/04/2019 07:17

That gives me hope ffs!

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EweSurname · 15/04/2019 07:35

I went to a training session delivered by a government department, prepared to challenge if needed.

They did a fun quiz where we covered the Equality Act and one of the questions was "name the 9 protected characteristics" (which I knew from all the time spent on here Grin).

Someone gave the answer but listed sex as gender and the trainers accepted it as correct! I spoke up and said it wasn't right as it should've been sex and they said "Ah it's the same thing isn't it, she can have the point" and then started speaking to someone else so I didn't feel I could raise it again.

I felt so angry at myself for the rest of the day that I hadn't said anything more and it was really disheartening to know that the wrong information was being taught. I knew that it was from here (if the government website about the EHRC listed the characteristics wrong it's unsurprising) but it's the first time I've properly "seen it in the wild".

ErrolTheDragon · 15/04/2019 07:57

Ah it's the same thing isn't it,

Therein lies a lot of the problem. Many people are swallowing 'gender' as a polite euphemism for 'sex' without realising what the implications are. Well done for raising it, ewe - I'm sure others will have noticed what you said.

bingoitsadingo · 15/04/2019 10:10

Ah it's the same thing isn't it

If it was then gender reassignment wouldn't need to be on the list would it Hmm

Ereshkigal · 15/04/2019 13:11

Well done op and ffs! Thanks

eurochick · 15/04/2019 13:14

Well done. The cis gender thing gives me the absolute rage. Go for it!

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 15/04/2019 13:26

I think those are good, Holy.

BadPennyNoBiscuit · 15/04/2019 13:54

I think given the fact you are challenging your employer, your comments were brave. Correct, but still very brave.
I bet they were counting on no one having the bottle to speak out.

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